Apocalyptic Optimist Podcast

The Most Overlooked Climate Solution Isn’t Technological

June 23, 2026·58 min
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What happens when the climate movement focuses entirely on data and strategy, but completely ignores the human hearts carrying the load? In this episode, Dr. Dana Fisher sits down with best-selling author and leader Dr. Katharine Wilkinson to navigate our transition into a mapless political world under the new climate reality. Together, they discuss why the relentless question of "What can I do?" is actually the sign of much deeper human yearnings, and how we can turn our collective climate ache into structured, heart-forward action. Drawing vital historical parallels to the Black church, feminist circles, and Quaker meeting houses, this episode is a soothing, gritty compass for anyone looking to turn their climate anxiety into hope and their rage into shared collective joy.

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