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Beyond Belief: Tales of Religious Exodus is a podcast by Freidom Fighter that aims to explore the personal journeys and experiences of people who have left fundamentalist religions. Raw and unedited, the podcast is an invitation for you to share your story as you are, with a focus on your journey around healing, making sense of your past, and finding meaning outside of religion.Learn more at freidomfighter.com/podcast
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In this episode of Beyond Belief, Shalom speaks with Flatbush Girl, an Orthodox Jewish advocate working for change from inside the community. Rather than telling a story of leaving religion, she describes why she remains connected to Orthodox Judaism while openly criticizing systems she sees as harmful, especially around women’s rights, marriage, divorce, mikvah, niddah, and communal power structures.The conversation explores the tension between allegiance and critique: how someone can love a community, believe in its spiritual framework, and still argue that “the whole thing needs a major app update.” Flatbush Girl reflects on growing up in Flatbush, the role of privilege in making the frum system work for some people, feminist readings of Torah and halakha, the agunah crisis, open relationships, and the deeply personal process of renegotiating one’s relationship with religion.Timestamps00:32 Episode Setup and Context02:18 Meet Flatbush Girl03:41 What Being Frum Means04:23 Growing Up in Flatbush06:34 Privilege and Rebellion09:02 Systems That Need Updating10:52 Can Jewish Law Change13:11 Feminist Lens on Torah17:18 Literal Text Pushback19:24 What Indoctrination Means22:18 Why Stay Orthodox24:29 How Change Happens27:07 Open Relationships and Halakha31:15 Advice on Finding Your Path33:35 Open Relationships and ReligionGlossaryAgunah — A “chained woman”; a woman unable to remarry because her husband refuses or is unable to give a Jewish divorce.Bais Yaakov — Orthodox Jewish girls’ school system.Bashert — Destined or meant to be.Beis Hamikdash — The ancient Temple in Jerusalem.Bnei Yisrael — The Children of Israel; the Jewish people.Ezras Nashim — Literally “women’s section”; here, the name of an all-female Orthodox emergency medical service.Flatbush — A Brooklyn neighborhood with a large Orthodox Jewish community.Frum — Religiously observant Orthodox Jewish.Frum Oilem / Olam — The frum world or Orthodox Jewish community.Get / Gett — Jewish divorce document given by the husband to the wife.Gittin — Jewish divorce documents/laws.Halakha — Jewish law.Has v’Shalom — “God forbid”; used to reject or recoil from something considered bad or improper.Hashem — Literally “the Name”; a common Orthodox way to refer to God.Hashgacha Pratis — Divine providence; the idea that events are personally guided by God.Kashrus — Jewish dietary laws; what is kosher.Ketubah / Ksuba — Jewish marriage contract.Kiddushin — Jewish betrothal/marriage laws.Kiruv — Orthodox Jewish outreach aimed at bringing less-observant Jews toward greater observance.Lakewood — A major American Haredi/yeshivish Orthodox community in New Jersey.Mephorshim / Meforshim — Classical Jewish commentators.Mikvah — Ritual bath used for religious purification, including in family purity laws.Minhag — Jewish custom.Mizbeach — Altar, especially the Temple altar.Neder — A vow.Nekuda — A vowel point or small textual mark in Hebrew.Netilat Yadayim — Ritual handwashing.Nida — Jewish laws around menstruation and marital intimacy.Passuk / Pasuk — A biblical verse.Pesach — Passover.Refuah kodem l’makah — “The cure comes before the wound”; the idea that a remedy exists before the problem appears.Seforim — Jewish religious books.Seforim shrank/shrank — Yiddish/English term for a bookcase or cabinet holding Jewish religious books.Shabbos — Sabbath; the Jewish day of rest from Friday evening to Saturday night.Shalom Bayis — Literally “peace in the home”; often means marital harmony.Shiva — Seven-day Jewish mourning period after the death of a close relative.Tehillim — Psalms, often recited as prayer.Torah — The foundational Jewish sacred text, especially the Five Books of Moses.Yeshiva — Orthodox Jewish religious school, often focused on Torah and Talmud study.Yeshivish — A more traditional Orthodox Jewish cultural/religious style
In this episode of Beyond Belief: Tales of Religious Exodus, Shalom speaks with Kevin Bolling about growing up Catholic, coming out as gay, and gradually leaving organized religion behind. Kevin reflects on the tension between identity and faith, the role of community in both staying and leaving religion, and how his experiences ultimately led him to lead the Secular Student Alliance.The conversation explores secular student communities, religious recruitment tactics on college campuses, the emotional realities of deconstruction, and how young people today are building community and activism outside traditional religious structures. Kevin also shares stories of students navigating family rejection, political activism, and the search for belonging after religion. Resourceshttps://secularstudents.org/Chapters00:00 – Introduction & Kevin’s role at the Secular Student Alliance02:00 – Growing up Catholic and learning to question religion05:00 – Coming out as gay and leaving the Church10:00 – Gradually disentangling from religious community15:00 – What the Secular Student Alliance does for students19:00 – Activism, church-state separation, and campus organizing26:00 – Religious recruitment tactics on college campuses33:00 – Are young people becoming more or less religious?38:00 – Secular alternatives for community and service44:00 – How to build community and avoid coercive groups
In this episode of Beyond Belief we hear from Aysha, an ex-Muslim woman who shares her personal journey of leaving Islam. Raised in a moderately conservative Muslim family in New York City, Aysha discusses her multicultural upbringing and the pivotal moments that led her to question and eventually depart from her faith. The conversation delves into the intellectual and emotional challenges she faced during her transformation, including her experiences at university, where the events of 9/11 and reading the Quran in English profoundly impacted her beliefs. Aysha also touches on the complexities of balancing familial relationships while hiding her true beliefs and navigating life with a non-Muslim partner. As the Director of Operations for Ex-Muslims of North America, Aysha offers insights into the organization's mission and the societal challenges ex-Muslims face, advocating for the importance of free speech and criticism of religion.00:26 Guest's Upbringing and Cultural Background02:34 Comparing Religious Practices13:06 The Impact of 9/11 on Muslim Identity15:56 Questioning Religious Texts24:55 The Journey to Leaving Islam35:06 Finding Community After Leaving Religion39:30 Personal Transformation and Family Dynamics40:41 Critique of Religious Mindset43:32 Islamophobia and Anti-Muslim Bigotry46:28 Challenges of Ex-Muslim Advocacy51:06 Navigating Personal and Family Relationships01:02:46 Radicalization and Religious Conservatism01:08:29 Advice for Ex-Muslims and Conclusion
In this conversation we meet with Sammy, creator of Haram Doodles, as she discusses the significance of Ex-Muslim Month and shares personal experiences growing up as a South Asian Muslim immigrant. The dialogue explores the complexities of cultural and religious identity, the impact of immigration on religious practices, and the evolution of Islam in the West. Sammy reflects on her journey of deconstruction, the role of education, and the influence of relationships on belief systems. The conversation emphasizes the importance of humor and art as mediums for healing and expression, as well as the challenges faced by ex-Muslims in their communities. Ultimately, it highlights the need for activism and community building among ex-Muslims.Resources:Haram Doodles websiteExMuslim.meExMuslim Awareness Month
In this episode we talk with Rachel about her journey out of the fundamentalist Jewish community she was raised in. Rachel reflects on growing up between Israel and Canada, her involvement as an outreach professional through Aish HaTorah, and the pressures of strict religious expectations. She discusses the challenges of navigating her role as a woman within Orthodox society - extricating her own identity from that of being a wife, mother, and community leader, and the struggles around the treatment of women within the confines of Jewish law and society.Resources:CultishA little bit cultyUnculturedTimestamps:00:19 Meet Rachel01:40 Deciding to Share Her Story03:48 Rachel's Upbringing and Family Background06:39 Navigating Dual Worlds: Israel and North America18:12 Early Struggles with Religious Beliefs30:44 The Role of Modesty and Family Purity38:23 Struggling with Conformity39:27 Rebellious Acts and Consequences40:56 Navigating Teenage Relationships41:45 The Journey to Marriage45:45 Family Purity and Religious Practices54:06 Parenting in Orthodox Judaism01:03:53 The Stillbirth Experience01:11:54 Community Support and Reflection01:14:43 The Cult's Structure and Recruitment Tactics01:16:07 Personal Reflections on Cult Involvement01:16:50 Questioning Orthodox Beliefs01:18:33 Comparing Cult Leaders01:23:36 The Deconstruction Process01:29:55 Life After Leaving the Cult01:37:48 Advice for Others Leaving Cults01:41:54 Final Thoughts and Reflections
In this episode, Shalom examines the historical divergence between Judaism as a religious-cultural tradition and Zionism as a modern nationalist project. He traces how Zionism emerged in 19th-century Europe among largely secular Jewish thinkers who reframed Jewish identity around territory, statehood, and political power, often in contrast to the ethical, diasporic, and spiritual foundations of Judaism. Through historical examples, Shalom explains how Zionism borrowed from European colonial ideologies while Judaism had long defined itself without sovereignty or land. He also explores the topic of anti-semitism vs. anti-Judaism, and the racist undertones underlying ethnic nationalism.Additional resources can be found on Freidom Fighter.Show Notes:00:00 Introduction and Podcast Context01:52 Defining Zionism and Personal Background05:05 Historical Context of Jewish Identity09:14 Jewish Revolts and Roman Rule12:57 Evolution of Jewish Identity in Exile23:27 Rise of Antisemitism and Zionism35:38 Colonial Destruction by French and British35:48 Zionist Elitism and Disregard for Middle Eastern Jews36:44 Zionist Attitudes During the Holocaust37:31 Jewish Resistance and Terror Groups38:05 Formation of the Israeli Defense Forces40:03 The Pragmatism of Zionism44:13 Early Jewish Settlers and Forced Conversions47:16 The Holocaust's Role in Zionism's Success47:56 British Rule and the Rise of Palestinian Identity56:07 Zionist Justifications and Propaganda01:05:48 The 1948 War and Its Aftermath01:07:21 The Moral Superiority Narrative01:10:31 Palestinian Mistakes and Perfectionism01:11:47 The Inflexibility of Palestinian Sentiments01:12:08 Criticism of Palestinian Support for Terror01:12:41 Historical Context: PLO vs Hamas01:14:18 The Cycle of Hatred and Victimhood01:16:05 Israel's Military Actions and International Perception01:17:20 The Role of the US and Christian Zionism01:21:40 The Two-State Solution and Demographic Concerns01:22:51 The Need for Reparations and Compromise01:33:04 The Impact of Trump's Policies on Israel01:40:24 The Importance of Being on the Right Side of History
In this episode of Beyond Belief, Mike returns to discuss his journey out of Zionism, mirroring his earlier departure from fundamentalist religion. The conversation delves into the historical nuances and personal struggles faced during the deconstruction of deeply held beliefs about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Mike shares his experiences in the Israeli military, pivotal moments of realization about Zionist ideologies, and the challenges of dealing with the fallout within his community. The discussion addresses the emotional weight, the intellectual rigor, and the new sense of moral alignment found on the other side. The episode also includes practical advice for those undergoing similar journeys and recommends resources for further research.Additional ResourcesBOOKSBeing Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza — Peter BeinartThe Hundred Years' War on Palestine — Rashid KhalidiPerfect Victims — Mohammed El-KurdOne Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This — Omar El AkkadPODCASTSMakdisi StreetThe Beinart NotebookBad HasbarahDisillusionedTimestamps00:22 Parallels Between Religion and Zionism00:52 Mike's Personal Journey02:44 Leaving Religion vs. Leaving Zionism07:24 Growing Up in a Non-Zionist Household17:36 Military Service and Disillusionment23:06 Leaving Israel and Initial Views on Zionism27:15 The Turning Point: October 7th40:03 Unjust Proposals and Victim Blaming40:38 Historical Analogies and Personal Anecdotes42:11 Zionist Narratives and Realizations49:43 Emotional and Intellectual Reckoning59:00 Activism and Community Support01:00:48 Hope and Future Perspectives01:13:51 Resources and Recommendations
In this episode of Beyond Belief, Shalom speaks with author Carl, who grew up in the little-known religion of Christian Science. Carl describes a childhood shaped by the belief that matter is unreal, illness is a mistaken thought, and negative emotions must be suppressed to “reflect God.” He shares the contradictions inside the faith—parents who quietly take children to doctors while insisting sickness isn’t real, funerals avoided to deny death, and a community where secrecy becomes a survival skill. He reflects on leaving the religion, the role that travel and language learning played in broadening his worldview, and how writing became the vehicle for healing and understanding his past. His first novel features characters shaped by Christian Science, allowing him to examine the psychological cost of denying reality and emotion. Carl's website: https://carlvonderau.com/Timestamps:00:18 Carl's Religious Background00:56 Understanding Christian Science04:42 Theological Discussions and Comparisons09:35 Growing Up with Contradictions16:37 Questioning and Breaking Away21:17 College and Drifting Away27:03 Life After Religion29:40 Language and Perception31:23 Christian Science Around the World32:21 The Rise and Fall of Christian Science33:28 Personal Stories of Religious Leaders34:36 Reconciling with Christian Science37:03 Writing and Creative Process43:17 Advice on Broadening Perspectives45:30 Bright Siding and Positive Thinking54:41 Final Reflections and Contact Information
Beyond Belief: Tales of Religious Exodus is a podcast by Freidom Fighter that aims to explore the personal journeys and experiences of people who have left fundamentalist religions. Raw and unedited, the podcast is an invitation for you to share your story as you are, with a focus on your journey around healing, making sense of your past, and finding meaning outside of religion.Learn more at freidomfighter.com/podcast
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