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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.
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This week, Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert, a longtime collaborator and the CEO of the Pocket Project, for a conversation exploring the global architecture of collective healing and how we can expand beyond the lens of individual therapy to address deeply rooted collective and ancestral trauma.With their combined years of experience working in trauma-informed care, leadership, and global healing, they share their thoughts on the next steps for humanity to address the invisible, frozen structures of trauma that inhibit our evolution and contribute to systems of harm and oppression.By integrating top-down governance with bottom-up grassroots initiatives, Thomas and Kosha believe that communities can melt the "permafrost" of the past to liberate creative energy and agency, overcome widespread disengagement, and co-create a more integrated and resilient world.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/51axNhTfP0QVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Kosha Anja Joubert serves as CEO of the Pocket Project, dedicated to growing a culture of trauma-informed care. Kosha has worked extensively in the fields of systems regeneration, intercultural collaboration, and trauma-informed leadership. She grew up in South Africa under Apartheid and has been dedicated to transformational edgework ever since. She has authored several books and received the Dadi Janki Award (2017) for engaging spirituality in life and work and the One World Award (2020) for building the Global Ecovillage Network to a worldwide movement reaching out to over 6000 communities on all continents.Connect with Kosha and The Pocket Project here 👉 https://pocketproject.orgThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.comFacebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on awareness and perception, exploring how we can shift the way we understand our healing journey, spiritual practices, and each other.It starts with recognizing the lenses that filter the information we receive and how they’re shaped by personal and collective trauma. Thomas shares spiritual and meditative practices that can help open these lenses, allowing us to integrate difficult but necessary elements into our consciousness.By expanding our perception and breaking free of limiting frameworks, we can step into a more expansive, intimate, and deeply connected reality.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/013iov1Ih9EVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ETThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.comFacebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9
This week, Thomas sits down with Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining), an Indigenous leader, speaker, teacher, and global ceremonialist, for a conversation exploring Indigenous perspectives on gender through the concepts of the Men’s Nation and Women’s Nation.Pat shares Diné and Lakota wisdom on the spiritual aspect of gender roles and biology, and how the specific process of what some cultures refer to as “moon time” is actually an important and unique capacity that creates a deeper connection to the spirit world.She and Thomas also discuss the spiritual implications of our tech-obsessed world and critique the modern “power-over” paradigm that isolates men and forces them into destructive competition. By contrast, Pat envisions a thriving life paradigm where the sacred masculine acts as a protective and supportive force instead of a dominating one, and we return to an “earth economy” rooted in radical abundance and fearless generosity.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/e1w0jZ4ZW_YVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Woman Stands Shining, Pat McCabe, is of the Diné Nation (Navajo), adopted into the Lakota spiritual way of life. She is a mother and grandmother, an international speaker/teacher, a global ceremonialist, radical bridger, and a listener for radical proposals from Spirit. Her current work is around trauma healing as renaissance for human presence on the planet, restoration of the Sacred Masculine, reimagining money to protect the sacred, and participating in Earth’s movements through “Land Back” or Land Reunion - in which entrenched narratives and beliefs are being disrupted through return of land to indigenous sovereign relationship.Connect with Pat here 👉 https://www.patmccabe.netThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.comFacebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9
This week, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on the incredible power and unique challenges of healing in relationships.You’ll hear from Thomas and expert guests with backgrounds in couples therapy, trauma healing, and parenting, including: Couples therapist and bestselling author Dr. Terry Real, world-renowned therapist, author, and speaker Esther Perel, and psychologist, author, and conscious parenting expert Dr. Shefali.Tune in for deep wisdom and powerful anecdotes on relational healing, attunement, how our connections to other people impact our healing journey, and what to do when our wounds come into play in our relationships.01:41 - Dr. Terry Real on how our relationships help us transform trauma10:28 - Thomas Hübl on creating attunement and safety with partners18:18 - Esther Perel and Jack Saul on healing trauma through intimacy and vulnerability33:44 - Thomas Hübl on the spirituality of communication44:23 - Dr. Shefali on overcoming old patterns and sharing your deepest feelings✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/HTAbviAeor8 Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ETHere are the links to watch or listen to the full episodes that these clips were taken from:Segment 1 featuring Dr. Terry Real is from:🎬 Healing Intergenerational Trauma Through Our Relationships 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/terry-real-healing-intergenerational-trauma-through-our-relationships/Segment 2 featuring Thomas is from:🎬 How Healthy Relationships Create Collective Healing👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/how-healthy-relationships-create-collective-healing/Segment 3 featuring Esther Perel & Jack Saul is from:🎬 Breaking Intergenerational Trauma👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/breaking-intergenerational-trauma-with-esther-perel-and-jack-saul/Segment 4 featuring Thomas is from:🎬 Attunement: Connecting to the Flow of Life👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/attunement-connecting-to-the-flow-of-life/Segment 5 featuring Dr. Shefali is from:🎬 Embracing Conscious Parenting👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/dr-shefali-embracing-conscious-parenting/✨ Registration is open for “Foundations of Trauma-Informed Coaching & Consulting.”This 8-week live online course, co-taught by Thomas Hübl and Amy Elizabeth Fox, is for coaches, consultants, group facilitators, and HR professionals who want to bring greater presence, depth, and trauma-informed awareness to their work with leaders and teams.The course begins on April 26. Learn more & register here 👉https://traumainformedcertificateprogram.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: ht
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how to harness the energy and spiritual vitality of life into movement, growth, and healing–even (or especially) when you feel stuck or stagnant.When we’re hurt or traumatized, we might suppress our energy because it’s easier to feel numb and disconnected than to be present with overwhelming feelings. Thomas shares insights on how to move back into an energetic flow that recharges your battery and helps you inhabit your physical body in a resonant relationship with the earth.He shares the importance of community and collective practices in working to amplify your vitality, and how a supportive field can foster deeper embodiment and emotional maturity. But there are many types of communities, and Thomas shares how all spaces, including online spaces, can be fertile ground for healing.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/c4z_8mcjdM0Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Registration is open for “Foundations of Trauma-Informed Coaching & Consulting.”This 8-week live online course, co-taught by Thomas Hübl and Amy Elizabeth Fox, is for coaches, consultants, group facilitators, and HR professionals who want to bring greater presence, depth, and trauma-informed awareness to their work with leaders and teams.The course begins on April 26. Learn more & register here 👉https://traumainformedcertificateprogram.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashueblTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9
This week, Thomas sits down for a touching conversation on navigating the complex dynamics of parent-child relationships with father-and-son duo, Rick and Forrest Hanson.In this intimate interview, Rick, a renowned psychologist and author, and Forrest, author and host of the “Being Well” podcast, share their unique and personal perspectives on healthy power dynamics, children’s autonomy, identity development, the inevitability of parental mistakes, and what’s needed for repair and forgiveness.Thomas brings his own experiences as a parent forward in a dialogue that offers a loving and healthy vision of fatherhood and masculinity. They also discuss family relationships from a bigger-picture perspective, and explore how individual family dynamics reflect broader societal wounds and forge paths for collective healing and generational pattern breaking.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/gdapyEpeikMVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Registration is open for “Foundations of Trauma-Informed Coaching & Consulting.”This 8-week live online course, co-taught by Thomas Hübl and Amy Elizabeth Fox, is for coaches, consultants, group facilitators, and HR professionals who want to bring greater presence, depth, and trauma-informed awareness to their work with leaders and teams.The course begins on April 26. Learn more & register here 👉https://traumainformedcertificateprogram.com✨Rick Hanson, Ph.D. is a psychologist, Senior Fellow at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center, and New York Times bestselling author of seven books, including Hardwiring Happiness and Buddha’s Brain, with over a million copies sold. A leading expert on positive neuroplasticity, he founded the Global Compassion Coalition and co-hosts the Being Well podcast, with 25+ million downloads. Rick has taught at meditation centers worldwide and spoken at institutions like NASA, Google, and Harvard. His work blends neuroscience, psychology, and contemplative practice to foster resilience and well-being.Connect with Rick here 👉 https://www.RickHanson.com✨ Forrest Hanson is an author, podcaster, and content creator focused on helping people understand themselves better and become the person they want to be. He's the co-author of the bestselling book Resilient: How to Grow an Unshakable Core of Calm, Strength, and Happiness and host of Being Well, which regularly ranks among the top mental health podcasts.Connect with Forrest here 👉 https://www.forresthanson.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.comFacebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your fee
This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and author Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, for a conversation on the importance of curiosity in trauma healing, the difficult necessity of turning towards pain, and how to “compost” our wounds into fertile soil for inner growth.They discuss how to shift away from the isolation that trauma creates and lean into connection, empathy, and shared responsibility as part of the healing process. They frame our conscious inquiry into our suffering as a sort of real-world alchemy that transforms the stagnant energy of the past into an integrated future.Ultimately, a special kind of courage is required to investigate trauma with openness and curiosity, and we hope this dialogue inspires some of that courage in anyone watching or listening.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/9vLUGEyGBkgVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Registration is open for “Foundations of Trauma-Informed Coaching & Consulting.”This 8-week live online course, co-taught by Thomas Hübl and Amy Elizabeth Fox, is for coaches, consultants, group facilitators, and HR professionals who want to bring greater presence, depth, and trauma-informed awareness to their work with leaders and teams.The course begins on April 26. Learn more & register here 👉https://traumainformedcertificateprogram.com✨MaryCatherine McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues and reframing our understanding of trauma.Connect with Dr. McDonald here 👉 https://alchemycoaching.lifeThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.comFacebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9
This week, Thomas shares a teaching that explores boundary setting as a deep spiritual practice that allows us to embody our authentic inner experience. When we define and share our boundaries, we’re not creating walls to shut others out; we’re engaging in a fluid dance that acknowledges our pain, creates safety, and actually helps us become less rigid and defensive.Thomas discusses why it’s so difficult for some of us to establish boundaries, and shares conscious, relational tools to help us stay present with pain, move from isolation to interdependence, and learn to treat life’s challenges as a path to spiritual maturity.He also explores the importance of specificity as we learn to better attune to ourselves and others, and how that impacts our individual, ancestral, and collective healing.✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/o8k01R2dReMVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Registration is open for “Foundations of Trauma-Informed Coaching & Consulting.”This 8-week live online course, co-taught by Thomas Hübl and Amy Elizabeth Fox, is for coaches, consultants, group facilitators, and HR professionals who want to bring greater presence, depth, and trauma-informed awareness to their work with leaders and teams.The course begins on April 26. Learn more & register here 👉https://traumainformedcertificateprogram.comThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashueblTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9
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