Reality Check with Ross Coulthart

The secret history of America's UFO 'legacy program' explained | Reality Check

July 28, 2026·1h 3m
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Check your risk for free: Run a free dark web scan with OmniWatch to see if your personal information or passwords have been leaked.Link: https://tracking.omniwatch.com/?a=1722&oc=90&c=755&s1=newsnation&s2=rossUse code ROSS at checkout to get 50% off your first month of OmniWatch digital protection.In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with a UAP researcher known online as "UAP Gerb." Together, they trace the secret history of the UAP legacy program, from its origins after the 1947 Roswell crash through today's disclosure fight. Gerb lays out allegations that Lue Elizondo is being positioned for a National Security Council role to help engineer limited, controlled disclosure, similar to what Gerb says happened under Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and the AATIP program in 2016.The two dig into the Podesta emails, the Majestic-12 and Eisenhower briefing document controversies, the deaths of James Forrestal and JFK and how control of crash-retrieval programs allegedly shifted from the National Security Council into private aerospace hands in the 1990s. Gerb argues David Grusch remains the key figure capable of forcing real accountability, and Coulthart presses him on why Congress and even the president may lack the power to compel answers.#UAPGerb #LueElizondo #UFOdisclosureCREDITSHost: Ross CoulthartExecutive Producer: Andy GipsonEditorial Producer: Meagan MedickSegment Producer: Christine Jenkinson, Will TomasiResearch Producer: Rob JonesEditor: Kanyon LyonsOn "Reality Check," NewsNation Special Correspondent Ross Coulthart takes a fact-based approach to tackle everything from unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) to mysteries often missing from the headlines. More Reality Check: https://www.newsnationnow.com/podcasts-newsnation/reality-check-with-ross-coulthart/ Email your questions to RealityCheck@NewsNationNow.com NewsNation is your source for fact-based, unbiased news for all Americans. More from NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/ Get our app: https://trib.al/TBXgYpp Find us on your screen: https://www.joinnn.com/CHAPTER SUMMARY::00 Intro1:10 Meet UAP Gerb2:04 Controlled narratives of disclosure3:20 Schism in the UAP community4:42 Attempts to control/misdirect the public narrative6:36 Podesta emails revelations7:00 Concerns around AATIP8:50 Admissions of a craft retrieval program?10:00 Whistleblower David Grusch11:02 Was Tom DeLonge used for controlled disclosure?13:13 Why was Hillary Clinton the ideal choice for limited disclosure?14:47 James Clapper and the legacy program15:25 Does the legacy program trust President Trump?18:09 ‘Age of Disclosure’ Documentary19:55 Origins of the legacy program21:56 Authenticity of MJ-12 documents23:34 Eisenhower briefing document25:54 Manhattan Project 2.027:22 Challenging the National Security narrative29:31 Executive orders bolstering special access programs32:58 1994 appointment of 27 gatekeepers35:07 Misappropriation of funds37:58 Presidents are viewed as ‘temporary employees’ by the legacy program39:24 What would Gerb do if President?41:41 Legacy program loopholes43:37 Reining in the legacy program46:30 Is Congress captive to the national security state?48:14 Briefing President Trump48:40 Marco Rubio’s national security role51:22 Why are there no major leaks?52:30 Wilson-Davis document59:11 The seventh veil analogy1:00:16 Part two preview

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