23: Swiftologist x Lizzo Interview: Pop Is Broken And Nobody Wants To Admit It

Welcome to Proto Pop: my new long form interview series about what it actually means to be a pop artist right now...not just charts and drama, but the systems, risks and careers underneath it. In Episode 1, ‪@Lizzo‬ sits down with me for an hour‑long conversation about what really happened with B*TCH, flopping in public, and why pop is broken in 2026:If you care about the art (and science) of how pop music works beyond the brain dead stan wars (particularly how it’s marketed, measured and lived in real time) Proto Pop was made for you. This first episode is Lizzo using her own era as a case study in how the machine works (and doesn’t work) anymore.