Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney: ‘For Most Americans, You’re Going to Pay Less Tax in Retirement’

Our guests on the podcast today are Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney. They’re both advice-only financial planners, and they’re the co-authors of a new book called Tax Planning To and Through Early Retirement. Cody is a certified financial planner and the founder of Measure Twice Money, where he helps DIY investors make informed decisions aligned with their values. He also leads Measure Twice Planners, which is an educational community for financial planners. Sean Mullaney is a certified public accountant and head of Mullaney Financial & Tax. He also writes the blog, TheFITaxGuy.com, which is focused on the intersection between financial independence and taxes. Episode Highlights 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:27 Defining Early Retirement, the 4% Rule, and Withdrawal Strategies 00:11:03 Fear-Based Tax Narratives and Retirement Calculators 00:15:10 Rethinking Future Tax Rate Assumptions 00:23:14 Retirement Savings Tax Trade-Offs 00:30:08 Taxable Accounts in Early Retirement 00:32:29 Backdoor Roth IRAs, Asset Allocation, and Sequence Risk 00:44:03 RMDs, Roth Conversions, and Retirement Planning Tools More From Morningstar Bill Bengen: ‘Inflation Is the Greatest Enemy of Retirees’ A Tax-Smart Plan for In-Retirement Withdrawals in 3 Steps Morningstar’s Tax-Planning and IRA Resources for 2026 If you have a comment or a guest idea, please email us at TheLongView@Morningstar.com. Follow Christine Benz (@christine_benz) and Ben Johnson (@MstarBenJohnson) on X, and Christine Benz, Amy Arnott, and Ben Johnson on LinkedIn. Visit Morningstar.com for new research and insights from Christine, Ben, and Amy. Subscribe to Christine’s weekly newsletter, Improving Your Finances. If you want more Morningstar podcasts, check out The Morning Filter and Investing Insights. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.