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The Melting Pod brings you stories of our dysfunctional immigration system, and where we go from here. Hosted by three friends who’ve served inside the federal government for two decades and four presidents of both parties, The Melting Pod will give you a deeper understanding of the immigration headlines, without jargon or shallow punditry. Amanda Baran, Doug Rand, and Claire Trickler-McNulty will also bring you extraordinary people with extraordinary stories to tell – about how we got here and where we're going.
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- 1 weeks ago56 min
Three Big Lies About Immigrants and Fraud, with Sonya Schwartz
From the first moments of his first campaign for president, Donald Trump has accused immigrants of fraudulently obtaining public benefits, immigration protections, and even votes. Does any of this hold up under scrutiny? We asked Sonya Schwartz, who knows more than just about anyone about the complex intersection of immigration, public benefits, and voting laws. She has the data to debunk all three of MAGA’s big lies about immigrants and fraud, and how this scapegoating leads to policies that harm all of us – from millions of families losing food assistance to voter ID laws that would block U.S. citizens from the polls. Meanwhile, some of the country’s worst actual fraudsters are getting pardoned instead of prosecuted. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * What to know about Nick Shirley, the YouTuber alleging day care fraud in Minnesota - NPR (Dec. 2025) * Right-Wing YouTuber Behind Viral Minnesota Fraud Video Has Long Anti-Immigrant History - The Intercept (Dec. 2025) * Trump repeats claim of $19 billion in Minnesota fraud. Here's what the numbers show. - Star Tribune (Feb. 2026) * When a president calls human beings ‘garbage’ - Maine Morning Star (Feb. 2025) * Questions and Answers About the 75-Country Visa Ban Lawsuit - Center for Constitutional Rights (Feb. 2026) * At least 3.5 million people have lost food stamp access as Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill’ cuts take effect, analysis finds - CNBC (May 2026) * Brett Favre and the Mississippi welfare case explained - ESPN (May 2023) * Judge blocks feds from using immigration database to check voter eligibility - Texas Tribune (June 2026) * Depardieu in English, In Weir's 'Green Card' - New York Times (Dec. 1990) * Trump DOJ Dropped 23,000 Criminal Investigations in Shift to Immigration - ProPublica (2026) * The Main Beneficiaries of Trump's Pardons? White-Collar Criminals Like Him - Washington Monthly (Dec. 2025) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction to Sonya Schwartz The slanderous narrative about immigrants committing fraud Allegations of welfare fraud Trump calls a whole community “garbage” The State Dept. bans immigration from 75 countries Which immigrants are actually eligible for which public benefits? Lightning round Q&A on undocumented immigrants and welfare U.S. citizens are going hungry after Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” Cutting off temporary support for refugees Who are the real perpetrators of public benefits fraud? Allegations of voter fraud What would happen if the SAVE Act passed? Allegations of immigration fraud Gérard Depardieu and sham marriages Trump’s lenience with actual fraudsters What is to be done? Conclusion
- 4 weeks ago1h 2m
Beatriz Lopez - The Politics of Immigration
Doug to update
- Jun 19, 202648 min
The Reality-Based Economics of Immigration, with Jenny Hunt
Jenny Hunt is a Rutgers University professor, the former Chief Economist at the Department of Labor, and a key contributor to the gold-standard, 600-page consensus report on the economic consequences of immigration. Don’t worry, we’re going to summarize it together in 45 breezy minutes! Economists agree that immigration makes native-born Americans wealthier on average, expands the U.S. economy, and has positive long-term effects on government budgets. The main debate is over the impact of immigration on the wages of Americans without a high school education – and they would be helped far more by a stronger social safety net than by restricting immigration. So what’s the anti-immigrant movement really about…? ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration - National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (2017) * E Pluribus Unum: Findings from the Cato Institute 2021 Immigration and Identity National Survey - Cato Institute (2021) * Macroeconomic Implications of Immigration Flows in 2025 and 2026 - Brookings Institution (January 2026) * Rising Immigration Has Helped Cool an Overheated Labor Market - Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City (November 2024) [take it with a grain of salt!] * On the Ballot: An Immigration System Most Americans Never Wanted - The Daily / New York Times (October 2024) [take it with an even bigger grain of salt!] * The Cuba-Born Harvard Economist Behind Trump's Immigration Crackdown - Washington Post (January 2026) * Immigrants Have Lower Lifetime Incarceration Rates than Native-Born Americans - Cato Institute (September 2025) * From Chinese to Italians and beyond, maligning a culture via its foods is a longtime American habit - Associated Press (September 2024) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Introduction Who is Jenny Hunt and what is a serial immigrant? Is immigration to the U.S. high or low? What are the economic upsides of immigration? Winners and losers (but not by much) That time Donald Trump cited the National Academy of Sciences Second-generation immigrants do great in the USA What are the best policies to help the least educated Americans? That time David Leonhardt cited the National Academy of Sciences Doug’s best impression of Michael Barbaro What is the deal with economist George Borjas? Immigrants and housing costs The idea of “cheap labor” Why economists hate the term “labor shortage”... …and also zero-sum misconceptions about the world Scapegoating immigrants over crime The Great Spaghetti Controversy Conclusion
- Jun 3, 20261h 8m
News Digest: Green Card Chaos, Hunger Strikes, and Stern Dad Energy
We dive underneath the latest immigration headlines to make sense of the senseless. Why did the Trump administration threaten to shut down U.S. green card processing? Why did the press believe that Markwayne Mullin would be a kinder, gentler DHS Secretary than Kristi Noem? Why is Marco Rubio’s State Department promoting the expulsion of people like Marco Rubio? Plus a 30-second new play and a beautiful story from the steps of the Supreme Court. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Trump’s Insane Green Card Policy Doesn’t Have to Be Legal to Work (w/ Doug Rand) - The Bulwark (May 24, 2026) * Trump on green cards: Speak loudly and carry a little stick - Doug Rand on LinkedIn (May 2026) * Sen. Andy Kim Seeks Changes After Delaney Hall Melee - New Jersey Monitor (May 26, 2026) * What to Know About Protests at New Jersey ICE Facility - Time (May 26, 2026) * Trump's DHS chief rocked by wild rumor about his WIFE - Daily Mail (May 27, 2026) * Stephen Miller in Retreat - The Atlantic (May 11, 2026) * How Trump's Minneapolis Immigration Blitz Hobbled Federal Crime Fighting - Reuters (May 7, 2026) * Under Trump, State Department Language on Migration Echoes That of White Nationalists - NPR (May 15, 2026) * We spend more on ICE and CBP than all other federal law enforcement combined - Doug Rand on LinkedIn (May 2026) * Why MAGA has a problem with Maria [DIGNITY Act] - Politico (April 12, 2026) * The Case for a Different Approach - Lorella Praeli Substack (April 30, 2026) * No More Back Doors: Recapturing the Public's Trust on Immigration - Searchlight Institute (March 2026) * Supreme Court Appears Likely to Side Against Trump on Birthright Citizenship - SCOTUSblog (April 1, 2026) * Haiti & Syria Temporary Protected Status Case at Supreme Court: What You Need to Know - ACLU of Northern California (April 2026) * Trump Secretly Overhauled Citizenship Agency to Focus on Deportations - The New Republic (April 20, 2026) * New Ban Bars Half of Legal Immigrants, Even Citizens' Spouses & Kids - Cato Institute (January 14, 2026) * Press Unpause – USCIS Adjudication Pause Tracker ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Intro The Stone of Destiny The green card disaster Do you want to read the little play I wrote? Hunger strike at a New Jersey ICE facility Markwayne Mullin goes bananas Welcome to the new DHS, same as the old DHS Is Stephen Miller “in retreat”? The unspeakable ugliness of “Remigration” Funding battles in Congress The DIGNITY Act Dueling think tanks The Supreme Court and birthright citizenship The Supreme Court and Temporary Protected Status The continuing destruction of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Super-secret easter egg
- May 26, 20261h 1m
The Truth About ICE, with Jason Houser
Enter the parallel universe of ICE deportation officers, who dress up like police but have near-zero criminal enforcement authority. And the vast majority of the people they arrest have no criminal record at all. Jason Houser served as ICE Chief of Staff, is an Intelligence Officer in the Navy Reserve, and helps us sort out truth from fiction. Why is the Trump administration diverting criminal law enforcement agents for civil deportation work – isn’t that defunding the police? How many ICE officers really need to carry a weapon in the first place? And how should we think about the future of an agency that has fallen so far? ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Agents with Homeland Security Investigations push to break away from ICE, saying negative reputation hurts their work - Washington Post (December 29, 2021) * ICE Has Diverted Over 25,000 Officers from Their Jobs - Cato Institute (September 3, 2025) * U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Population Reached a Record 14 Million in 2023 - Pew Research Center (August 21, 2025) * 5% of People Detained by ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions - Cato Institute (November 26, 2025) * What Is a Sanctuary City? - Vera Institute of Justice (April 22, 2025) * One Bovino After Another - The American Prospect (January 27, 2026) * ICE Recruitment Tweets Are So Racist That Cops Feared They Could Incite Neo-Nazi Violence - The Intercept (May 21, 2026) ==Corrections== (1) Border Patrol has expanded checkpoint and search authorities within 100 miles of any land border or U.S. coastline. About two-thirds of the U.S. population live within this area, which includes Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City (but not Minneapolis). Explainer: U.S. Border Patrol Authorities and the 100-Mile Border Zone - National Immigration Forum (March 31, 2026) (2) Alas, the Nicolas Cage character in National Treasure is “an American treasure hunter and cryptologist,” not an HSI agent. But the Harvey Keitel character is an FBI special agent in charge of hunting down antiquities! If the stolen Declaration of Independence crossed an international border, surely he’d pull in HSI… ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Intro Meet Jason Houser What does the Chief of Staff of ICE do? What is the purpose of ICE? What is the difference between Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO)? When HSI tried to break away from ICE Immigration enforcement is civil, not criminal Indiscriminate deportations vs. enforcement priorities ICE and local law enforcement Chief Bovino’s carnival act Donald Trump defunds the police What is a sanctuary city? Scapegoating immigrants as criminals ICE is mostly desk jobs Why does an ICE officer need a gun? What is the future of ICE?
- Mar 17, 20261h 13m
Who’s Afraid of the H-1B?
The H-1B is a white-collar work visa, essentially unchanged by Congress since 1990 – before the birth of the first text message, the first website, and 40% of our population. Is the H-1B program an essential step on the far-too-difficult road from international student to new American? Is it a fair object for good-faith criticism and reform? And is it an increasingly loud dog-whistle for ugly nativist rhetoric? Yes. We’ll also take the shine off Trump’s Gold Card scheme, explain why Elon Musk did not in fact “go to war” on the H-1B issue, and field a few excellent questions from our kids. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * 1.8 Million in Employment-Based Green Card Backlog - Cato Institute (Aug. 29, 2023) * Orlando judge tosses Disney IT outsourcing lawsuit - Orlando Sentinel (Oct. 14, 2016) * The Outlook On H-1B Visas And Immigration In 2026 - Forbes (Jan. 26, 2026) * How the Visa Debate for Foreign Workers Fuels Racism Against South Asians - New York Times (Feb. 16, 2026) * Maga v Musk: Trump camp divided in bitter fight over immigration policy - The Guardian (Dec. 27, 2024) * H-1B Hiring Freezes by States Will Endanger Public Health and Hinder Economic Growth - FWD.us (Feb. 24, 2026) * Lawsuit Argues Trump Gold Card Visa Program Prioritizes Wealth Over Ability - New York Times (Feb. 3, 2026) * Did Trump Really Give Nicki Minaj a $1 Million ‘Gold Card’ Visa? - New York Times (Jan. 29, 2026) * Play Frogger! ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you ==Chapters== Intro Remember 1990? “Bringing the best and brightest here” The standard immigration path for white-collar professionals Bottleneck #1: The H-1B cap Bottleneck #2: The green card cap Bottleneck #3: The country cap Immigration is like Frogger “Why does it suck so bad to be on an H-1B?” The plight of H-1B workers’ spouses The plight of H-1B workers’ children The good-faith controversy over IT consulting firms The Disney debacle Ugly rhetoric against immigrants from India MAGA-Musk beef over H-1Bs Trump’s subtler attacks on legal immigration The chaotic rollout of the $100,000 H-1B fee The lawless Gold Card scheme Better ideas for the future Coda: Questions from our kids
- Mar 9, 20261h 35m
DACA and the Dreamer Movement, with Felicia Escobar Carrillo
You may know about the plight of Dreamers – over 3 million undocumented individuals who were brought here as children and are Americans in every way but immigration status. And you may know about DACA, the Obama-era policy that has allowed 800,000 Dreamers to pursue higher education, military service, and life out of the shadows. But a quarter-century after the DREAM Act was first introduced, Congress still hasn’t provided permanent relief for Dreamers, and DACA is under threat. Felicia Escobar Carrillo was Special Assistant to the President for Immigration Policy in the Obama White House, and tells the story of how DACA was created – after intensive organizing by Dreamers who continue to carry the torch today. Learn More Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Dreamers in the United States: An Overview of the Dreamer Community and Proposed Legislation - National Immigration Forum (Dec. 2, 2025) * My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant by Jose Antonio Vargas - New York Times (June 22, 2011) * Astrid Silva: Meet the woman delivering the Democratic response to Trump in Spanish - ABC News (Feb. 27, 2017) * How Democracy Works Now (2013) - free to watch with a library card Give More Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you Chapters Intro Who is Felicia Escobar Carrillo? Doug does his best Simpsons Teenager voice Felicia cuts her teeth in Texas “It’s very easy to testify at a state hearing” Plyler v. Doe and the right to education Organizing for the DREAM Act The bravery of undocumented youth speaking up The tenacity of Sen. Dick Durbin How to work in the White House while finishing law school The nailbiter DREAM Act vote of 2010 Obama comforts his team: “We’re gonna get there” Why didn’t the DREAM Act pass? Doug can’t stop ranting against the filibuster… …and nativists Dreamers keep getting deported under Obama What can we get done without Congress? The White House gets serious What makes DACA legal? Obama announces DACA in the Rose Garden The 60-day sprint to get DACA running Implementation Day The amazing stories of individual Dreamers Congress still has to act Conclusion – “for anyone out there who’s just paralyzed by cynicism…”
- Mar 2, 20261h 38m
The Heartbreak of Immigration Reform, with Esther Olavarria
Everyone knows that our immigration system is broken, so why hasn’t Congress fixed it for over 35 years? What you may not know is how close we came to comprehensive immigration reform – not once, not twice, but *four times.* Esther Olavarria was one of the foremost people working behind the scenes to make it happen, first as a staffer to Senator Ted Kennedy and later as a senior official under President Obama. This is her eyewitness account – of hope and despair, war rooms and whip counts, and honest answers on why it’s so hard for Congress to get the job done. Learn More Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (palm er.media). Read more about the topics in this episode: * White House Offers Stealth Campaign to Support Immigration Bill - New York Times (June 20, 2013) * Summary of the “four-legged stool” - National Immigration Forum (2013) * How Democracy Works Now (2013) - free to watch with a library card * Senator Kennedy Floor Speech on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 * Senator Ted Kennedy's Remarks at Immigration Rally in Washington (2006) * Unions Split on Immigrant Workers - Washington Post (Jan. 26, 2007) Give More Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * #AfghanEvac – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI) – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * Haitian Bridge Alliance – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP) - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * Justice Action Center - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * Al Otro Lado - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * Support an immigration service provider near you Chapters Intro Esther Olavarria, American hero The “four-legged stool” of comprehensive immigration reform High hopes in 2001 Tuesday, Sept. 11 Senator Ted Kennedy’s commitment Reviving the work with Senator John McCain House Republicans strike back High hopes in 2006 Tough votes and the Laken Riley Act Popular support and victory in the Senate Failure in the House High hopes in 2007 The bait and switch of “points-based” immigration The death of the Grand Bargain Obama and deportations High hopes in 2013 What is a War Room? Senator Corker and the Yahoos Victory in the Senate (again) Floundering in the House (again) The primary race that crushed all hope How bleak is the future? How the right got what it wanted all along A note of hope? The filibuster is why we can’t have nice things Esther on screen! Conclusion
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The Melting Pod brings you stories of our dysfunctional immigration system, and where we go from here. Hosted by three friends who’ve served inside the federal government for two decades and four presidents of both parties, The Melting Pod will give you a deeper understanding of the immigration headlines, without jargon or shallow punditry. Amanda Baran, Doug Rand, and Claire Trickler-McNulty will also bring you extraordinary people with extraordinary stories to tell – about how we got here and where we're going.
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