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by Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation." Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey. Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-led conversations—not your typical outsider journalist interviews.
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- 1 weeks ago48 min
Hrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.
We often treat our creative identities like lanes, fearing that branching out looks like simple dilettantism. This week, we explore the delicate balance of identity and creative output with singer-songwriter Hrishikesh Hirway, the brilliant mind behind hit podcasts The West Wing Weekly and Home Cooking, as well as the globally-acclaimed Netflix series and podcast 'Song Exploder,' which features the likes of Paul McCartney, Billie Eilish, REM, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Despite a decade of monumental success in the podcast and broadcast worlds, Hrishikesh found himself battling a quiet, profound depression born from leaving his primary identity as a singer-songwriter behind. He recently returned to music with his first album in 15 years and joins us for a beautifully tender conversation on breaking through a 10-year writer's block, navigating the vulnerability of cold-calling collaborators, and learning to sit comfortably within a "queer divine dissatisfaction."
- 2 weeks ago47 min
Amy Grant on unexpected healing, the invitation of aging, and craftopia.
What does it mean to inhabit a creative life when the container itself changes? We sit down with Grammy-nominated, multi-platinum crossover superstar Amy Grant. Having shaped the landscape of pop and contemporary Christian music for over four decades, Grant found herself navigating an unexpected wilderness following a series of medical setbacks, including a traumatic bike accident, and a rewritten relationship with her own processing speed. In this soulful, luminous conversation, she explores the deliberate art of slowing down, the creative sanctuary of "Craftopia," and why she now views aging not as a loss of identity, but as a continual invitation to let go.
- 3 weeks ago42 min
James Gardin on deconstructing the sync world, overcoming over-analysis, and the male affordable Lizzo.
How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down with musician, songwriter, and educator James Gardin. While his joyous, infectious music has found a global audience through major sync campaigns for brands like Apple, Puma, Tommy Hilfiger, and Saks Fifth Avenue, James’s core creative philosophy is anchored in something much more grounded: community, education, and the refusal to second-guess the spark. Together, we explore the nuts-and-bolts realities of the licensing world, the absolute humility required to teach songwriting to eight-year-olds, and how letting go of the industry's arbitrary rules allows us to finally blaze our own paths.
- 4 weeks ago43 min
Lukas Nelson on shedding expectations, the antidote to egos, and training like an Olympian.
It is easy to look at a lifetime spent traveling on a tour bus, in a famous family, and assume the creative path was completely clear. We sit down with Grammy-winning singer-songwriter and guitar player Lukas Nelson (A Star Is Born, Promise of the Real, Neil Young) for an incredibly honest conversation about moving past the shadow of his father Willie Nelson's towering legacy, and detangling his identity from the cliched drug-induced creative culture. We explore the distinct clarity that arrives with sobriety, the physiological realities of keeping your body moving on the road, and how treating musical discipline like Olympic training allowed him to fully claim his own voice. It’s a masterclass in boundary setting, honoring the natural muse, and discovering that a long-term commitment to your health and your relationships is the ultimate engine for creative longevity.
- Jun 24, 202646 min
Judy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.
"We write to find out who we are." For over six decades, Judy Collins has been a pillar of American music: from GRAMMY awards, platinum records and Oscar nominations, to writing 8+ books, and landing her first number 1 album at 80 years old. But behind the staggering accolades is an artist who still treats her craft as a daily, sacred blue-collar job. In this conversation, we explore the quiet discipline of her daily routines, the sanctuary of her 48 years of sobriety, and what she calls the "secret channels of songs". Judy shares her philosophy on processing grief through poetry, the necessity of maintaining community in a solitary profession, and turning off the noise to protect the soul.
- Jun 17, 20261h 0m
Annie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.
What does it mean to treat music not as a commodity, but as a multi-generational way of life? We sit down with father-daughter side musicians Cranston and Annie Clements. Cranston, a cornerstone of New Orleans music history, has played guitar with royalty like Dr. John, Allen Toussaint, and Irma Thomas. His daughter Annie is the bass player for for massive acts including Sugarland, Maren Morris, and Hootie & the Blowfish. The duo brings a unique perspective on the lineage, structural hurdles, and profound beauty of the side musician's journey. Annie shares her vital advocacy work supporting motherhood in the music industry, including the stark lack of childcare infrastructure in the touring industry. Meanwhile, Cranston details his wild roots in the 1960s counterculture and how a single performance could dismantle a lifetime of prejudice. It is a study on what it truly means to be a "joy facilitator."
- Jun 10, 202655 min
Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.
We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you intentionally dismantle your creative ego to build something focused entirely on collective liberation? Heather Mae is an award-winning independent artist, the founder of Singing Resistance Nashville, and a prominent voice in organized musical activism. Following a viral arrest at the Tennessee Capitol while protesting anti-trans legislation, Heather sits down with us to discuss the profound impacts of communal singing, navigating trauma as a neurodivergent and queer creator, and how to balance radical empathy without completely burning out. It’s an expansive, deeply human conversation about moving past the modern traps of artistic productivity to discover what it truly means to be of service.
- Jun 3, 202642 min
Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.
We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. She was the first woman to have five different country number-ones in a single year, and her songs have been recorded by everyone from Linda Ronstadt, Trisha Yearwood and Deana Carter, to The Chicks, Chris Stapleton, and Reba McEntire. Matraca’s catalog defines generations of American songwriting. We sit down the the GRAMMY-nominated member of the Songwriting Hall of Fame to explore the realities of achieving massive success while battling paralyzing stage fright, the transition from the multi-platinum physical sales era of the 1990s to modern streaming, and how she keeps her creative tank full as the industry has changed around her. In a culture obsessed with youth and immediate output, Matraca offers a grounded, reassuring perspective on aging within an art form, artistic alignment, and learning to trust.
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