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You Can Be Both is hosted by singer/songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, who shares honest conversations about being both gay and Christian—two identities often seen as incompatible. The podcast creates space for LGBTQ+ people of faith to find healing, community, and a deeper connection with Christ while fully embracing who they are.
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- 1 weeks ago1h 2m
Bible Scholar DESTROYS the "Being Gay Is a Sin" Argument
If you've ever wondered whether you can be both LGBTQ+ and Christian, this conversation is for you.In this powerful episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Mattie Mae Motl—a progressive Bible scholar, Master of Divinity graduate, and PhD candidate studying gender, sexuality, and the New Testament—to unpack some of Christianity's biggest questions.Together they discuss:✨ Is being gay really a sin?✨ What the Bible actually says about LGBTQ people✨ The "clobber verses" explained✨ Why Jesus never mentioned homosexuality✨ How deconstruction can strengthen—not destroy—your faith✨ Women, patriarchy, and the Bible✨ Why love—not fear—is the lens Jesus taught us to read Scripture through✨ How LGBTQ Christians can find peace with GodWhether you're deconstructing your faith, healing from religious trauma, or simply searching for honest conversations about Scripture, this episode offers hope, compassion, and a fresh perspective rooted in biblical scholarship.If this conversation encouraged you, please LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and share it with someone who needs to hear that you really can be both LGBTQ and a person of faith.❤️ Join the You Can Be Both Community:youcanbeboth.com🎙️ Follow Mattie Mae Motl: @mattiemaemotl🎙️ Follow Lauren: @Lanzaretta📖 Follow You Can Be Both:@youcanbeboth
- 2 weeks ago1h 5m
How This Black Baptist Pastor Became an LGBTQ Advocate | Deconstructing Homophobia
In this powerful conversation, Lauren Lanzaretta interviews Pastor Kristian Smith—a straight, fifth-generation Baptist preacher and fierce LGBTQ+ advocate—about his journey from embedded homophobia to becoming one of the most vocal allies in the Black church community.Kristian shares how a simple question asked in seminary—"Did you choose your sexuality?"—completely transformed his theology. He discusses why so much homophobia is rooted in sexual discomfort, the importance of visibility in Black and queer communities, and what real allyship looks like in 2026.This is a must-watch for anyone seeking to understand intersectional faith, spirituality, and justice.About Kristian Smith:Public theologian, digital pastor, author of "Breaking All the Rules" and "Question Your Answers: A Deconstruction Survival Guide." Host of the Holy Smokes Cigar and Spirituality Podcast. Master's of Divinity from Mercer University's McAfee School of Theology.YOU CAN BE BOTH PODCAST: A faith-rooted, justice-centered conversation space for LGBTQ+ people and allies. Join Lauren Lanzaretta as she talks faith, identity, and what it means to be authentically yourself.CONNECT WITH US:🌐 YouCanBeBoth.com📱 Instagram: @youcanbeboth| @Lanzaretta▶️ YouTube: SUBSCRIBE :) 🎵 TikTok: @youcanbeebothpodcastFOLLOW KRISTIAN SMITH:📱 Instagram: @kristianasmithBOOK -- Breaking All The Rules: An Ancient Framework for Modern Faith: https://amzn.to/4f6XO6z
- 3 weeks ago50 min
America Turns 250... But Is There Really Freedom for Everyone? Why Celebrating July 4th Feels Complicated for LGBTQ+ Americans
Together, they discuss:🇺🇸 What America's founding ideals actually promised✝️ The rise of Christian nationalism and how it differs from Christianity🌈 Why LGBTQ rights remain under attack📜 The meaning behind "all men are created equal"❤️ How Christians can resist fear and choose love instead🙏 Why fighting for equality is one of the most American things we can doRather than giving up on America, Lauren and Tim explore why the country's 250th birthday can be an invitation to continue working toward the promise of liberty and justice for everyone.If you've ever wondered whether you can be proud of your country while also advocating for change, this conversation is for you.
- Jun 28, 202632 min
Supporting Pride Month ISN'T Anti-Christian—It's the MOST Christian Thing You Can Do | Pride Month Explained
Pride Month isn't about celebration. It's about survival.Lauren Lanzaretta breaks down the hard truth about why LGBTQ people need Pride Month in 2026. And why the criticism, the bills, the "Straight Pride Month" debate, and the political weaponization of trans people prove we need it now more than ever.THE FACTS:10+ countries execute people for being gay60+ countries criminalize same-sex relationships27 U.S. states can still legally fire you for being LGBTQ (despite federal protections, there are loopholes)36% of LGBTQ youth seriously considered suicide last year800+ anti-LGBTQ bills were introduced in 2025 aloneTHE REALITY: LGBTQ+ people are kicked out of their homes by families. They're rejected by churches. They're targeted by politicians. They're assaulted in the streets. And yet, somehow, they're told to apologize for existing.This is why we need Pride. Not as a party. As a lifeline.Lauren discusses the systemic oppression, the cultural warfare, the spiritual battle, and what Jesus actually calls us to do: love radically. Not judge. Not exclude. Love.If you're LGBTQ+, you deserve to know you're not alone. If you're an ally, you need to understand what real solidarity looks like. If you're a person of faith, this will challenge everything you thought you knew about loving your neighbor.WATCH THIS IF:You're struggling with your identityYou've been rejected by your church or familyYou want to understand why Pride Month mattersYou're an ally seeking to do betterYou believe in love over hateYOU ARE WORTHY. YOU ARE LOVED. YOU MATTER.YOU CAN BE BOTH PODCAST:A faith-rooted, justice-centered conversation space where LGBTQ+ people know they can exist authentically—at faith and at full pride.COMMUNITY APP:Join the You Can Be Both community app for real friendships, weekly Zoom calls, guest speakers, meditations, wellness resources, and book club discussions (currently reading Forging a Sacred Weapon by Kathy Baldock). JOIN HERE: http://youcanbeboth.com/CONNECT WITH LAUREN LANZARETTA:🌐 YouCanBeBoth.com📱 Instagram: @Lanzaretta▶️ YouTube: SUBSCRIBE!🎵 TikTok: @youcanbebothpodcast📱 Instagram (Podcast): @youcanbeeboth
- Jun 21, 202652 min
From Rejecting Her Gay Son to Hugging Thousands of LGBTQ — Founder of FREE MOM HUGS Shares Her Faith Journey
Sara Cunningham, founder of Free Mom Hugs, shares the powerful story of how she went from rejecting her gay son to leading an international movement that has impacted hundreds of thousands.It wasn't easy. When Sara's youngest son came out to her at 21, she didn't take it well. She was frozen in fear — terrified he would be condemned to hell, convinced that accepting him would make her a sinner too. She shamed him with the very best of intentions.But everything changed in 2014 when her son invited her to her first Pride parade. There, she met a girl who hadn't hugged her mother in four years because she was a lesbian. That hug — that moment — became the spark that ignited Sara's journey toward understanding, acceptance, and ultimately, unconditional love.Today, Free Mom Hugs is an international nonprofit movement with over 40,000 volunteers and 250 groups across the country. Sara has been featured on the Today Show, RuPaul's show, in People Magazine, and the Washington Post. But more importantly, she's helping thousands of LGBTQ+ people and their families find healing, belonging, and acceptance.In this episode, Sara opens up about:-The moment she found out her son was gay and how she initially responded-How her theology deconstructed and reconstructed-Finding an online community of 250 moms going through the same journey-The pivotal moment at Pride that changed everything-How Free Mom Hugs grew from a simple gesture into a global movement-Why visibility, education, and conversation matter-Her message to parents still struggling with their child's sexual orientationThis episode is for anyone struggling with faith and LGBTQ identity, parents coming to terms with having an LGBTQ child, or anyone interested in the power of radical love and acceptance.You Can Be Both Podcast reminds you that you can be both LGBTQ+ and a person of faith.RESOURCES:Free Mom Hugs: freemomhugs.comSara's Book: "How We Sleep at Night": https://amzn.to/3SSehTnLauren's LGBTQ Healing and Resource Guide: laurenlanzaretta.com/youcanbebothLauren's Music: Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube — search Lauren LanzarettaFOLLOW LAUREN:Instagram: @lanzarettaTikTok: @Lanzaretta YouTube: Lauren Lanzaretta
- Jun 14, 202657 min
Gospel Singer Lost Everything When She Came Out as Gay — Now Married to Captain Sandy Yawn
For more than 20 years, Leah Rae Yawn (formerly Shafer) was a gospel worship leader at Saddleback Church. She sang for Women of Faith, worked with Michael W. Smith and Natalie Grant, recorded multiple albums, and sung the national anthem at NFL games. Her voice and faith were her livelihood, her heart, and her life.Then she came out as gay — and lost it all.In this powerful episode of You Can Be Both, Leah Rae opens up about her journey from a strict Christian upbringing to realizing she was bisexual, her 21-year marriage to a man, and the moment she met Captain Sandy Yawn from Bravo's Below Deck Mediterranean — the first woman she ever truly loved.When the churches that had been her home for decades discovered her relationship with Sandy, they rejected her completely. She was no longer allowed to lead worship. Her platform vanished. The community she'd served for two decades turned their backs.But in losing everything, Leah found something greater: authenticity, freedom, and a partner who loves her unconditionally.In this episode, Leah shares:How she suppressed her sexuality for decades while leading worshipThe moment she knew she was drawn to womenWhat it felt like to lose her church community overnightHer relationship with Captain Sandy and what true love means nowWhy LGBTQ+ people belong in church and can lead worshipHer message to LGBTQ+ people still struggling in the closet or in unsupportive churchesLeah's Powerful Message: "If you can't find a church that you feel like you belong to, there's so many other beautiful things out there that can help you thrive. Church is not a building — it's the soul."This is a conversation about faith, rejection, love, and reclaiming your voice. If you've been rejected by a faith community, if you're struggling to come out, or if you're navigating faith and sexuality — this episode is for you.FEATURED:-Leah Rae Yawn, Gospel Singer & Worship Leader (Now Married to Captain Sandy Yawn)-Host: Lauren Lanzaretta, You Can Be Both PodcastRESOURCES:Lauren's LGBTQ+ Healing and Resource Guide: laurenlanzaretta.com/youcanbebothFOLLOW:Leah Rae Yawn on Instagram: @leahraeofficialCaptain Sandy Yawn on Instagram: @captainsandrayawnBelow Deck Mediterranean on BravoLAUREN:Instagram: @LanzarettaSpotify: Lauren LanzarettaApple Music: Lauren LanzarettaYouTube: Lauren Lanzaretta
- Jun 7, 20261h 54m
PROOF that "Homosexuality" Was Never in The Original Bible: Kathy Baldock Explains The Mistranslation That's Oppressed LGBTQ+ For Centuries
For nearly 2,000 years, the word "homosexual" did not appear in the Bible. So what changed in 1946?Kathy Baldock is a leading voice on LGBTQ+ issues within Christianity and the author of "Forging a Sacred Weapon" and "Walking the Bridgeless Canyon." She's also featured in the award-winning documentary "1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted Culture." In 1946, Bible translators made a controversial decision to add the word "homosexuality" to the Revised Standard Version of the Bible — a word that had never appeared in the original Greek and Hebrew texts.In this powerful conversation, Kathy reveals how that single mistranslation changed the course of Christian history and how that lie has been used to marginalize and oppress the LGBTQ+ community for decades. This isn't her opinion, it's FACTS.But Kathy's journey to this work wasn't always about LGBTQ+ issues. It started with her own experience of being stigmatized and marginalized in her Irish Catholic community. When she was two years old, her father left her family, and she was made to feel like something was wrong with her. That pain, that sense of injustice, eventually led her to meet Netto on a hiking trail — a woman who would change everything and introduce her to the LGBTQ+ community in a way that challenged everything she thought she knew.In this episode, Kathy shares:The real history behind the 1946 Bible mistranslationHow religious institutions built oppression on a lieWhy understanding history is the key to healingHer powerful message to LGBTQ+ people of faithHow the heart of God is not reflected in discrimination and marginalizationYou definitely want to watch this one all the way through! Kathy's message at the end will leave you in tears!This is a conversation about faith, history, justice, and hope. If you've ever questioned what the Bible really says about LGBTQ+ people, this episode is for you. This isn't opinion, it's FACTS. FEATURED:Kathy Baldock, Author & Leading Voice on LGBTQ+ Issues in ChristianityHost: Lauren Lanzaretta, You Can Be Both PodcastRESOURCES:-Lauren's LGBTQ+ Healing and Resource Guide: http://youcanbeboth.com/-Documentary "1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted Culture": https://www.1946themovie.com/-Kathy Baldock's Books: "Forging a Sacred Weapon": https://amzn.to/4oaBrQy"Walking the Bridgeless Canyon": https://amzn.to/4g5mBc6Canyon Walker Connections: https://canyonwalkerconnections.com/about/kathy-baldock/FOLLOW LAUREN:Instagram: @lanzarettaSpotify: Lauren LanzarettaApple Music: Lauren LanzarettaYouTube: Lauren Lanzaretta
- May 31, 202653 min
"Testify to Love" Singer Michael Passons: Kicked Out For Being Gay, Now Topping Christian Charts
Michael Passons was a founding member of Avalon, one of the biggest Christian music groups of all time. He wrote and performed "Testify to Love," a song that became an icon of Christian music. But when he came out as gay, he was forced out of the band and lost everything.Now, Michael is rewriting his story — and breaking records doing it. He just rereleased "Testify to Love" as an LGBTQ+ affirming anthem with country artist Ty Herndon, and together they became the first openly gay artists to reach #1 on the iTunes Christian charts.In this episode of You Can Be Both, Michael sits down with host Lauren Lanzaretta to share his full journey: Growing up in rural Mississippi. His dream of becoming a Christian music artist. What it felt like to be kicked out of Avalon for being gay. His spiritual deconstruction and finding faith again on his own terms. And what it means to finally sing authentically.This is a powerful conversation about survival, resilience, and reclaiming your voice.IN THIS EPISODE WE TALK ABOUT:Michael's journey as a founding member of Avalon and writing the iconic "Testify to Love"Growing up in rural Mississippi in a conservative Baptist churchRealizing he was gay and the internal struggle that followedBeing forced out of Avalon for coming outHis spiritual deconstruction and stepping away from organized religionFinding his way back to faith and spirituality on his own termsRereleasing "Testify to Love" as an LGBTQ+ affirming anthem with Ty HerndonMaking history as the first openly gay artists to reach #1 on iTunes Christian chartsWhat it means to sing and live authenticallyHis message to LGBTQ+ people still in the closetAdvice for worship leaders who've been kicked out of churchThe power of reclaiming your voice and your storyFOLLOW MICHAEL:Instagram: @michaelpassonsSpotify: Michael PassonsApple Music: Michael PassonsYouTube: Michael PassonsFOLLOW LAUREN:Instagram: @laurenlanzarettaYouTube: Lauren LanzarettaSpotify: Lauren LanzarettaApple Music: Lauren LanzarettaFREE LGBTQ+ HEALING & RESOURCE GUIDE:Access Lauren's full story, healing resources, books, podcasts, and voices that have helped transform shame to freedom.Visit: laurenlanzaretta.com/youcanbeboth
About You Can Be Both
You Can Be Both is hosted by singer/songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, who shares honest conversations about being both gay and Christian—two identities often seen as incompatible. The podcast creates space for LGBTQ+ people of faith to find healing, community, and a deeper connection with Christ while fully embracing who they are.
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