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Open Source bi-weekly conversation with Brad Gerstner (@altcap) & Bill Gurley (@bgurley) on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism
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- Jun 11, 20261h 20m
The SpaceX IPO, Fable 5, AI Capex Update & Market Check w/ Gavin Baker, Andrew Fox & Clark Tang | BG2
Brad Gerstner sits down with Gavin Baker and Andrew Fox of Atreides Management, alongside Altimeter partner Clark Tang, to break down one of the biggest questions in tech and markets: how should investors think about the SpaceX IPO?They unpack the major levers behind SpaceX’s next phase: Starship rapid reusability, Starlink broadband and direct-to-cell, Elon’s emerging AI compute business, xAI’s model ambitions, the Cursor acquisition, and the long-term promise of orbital data centers. The group also debates whether SpaceX is becoming a new kind of AI hyperscaler — “Elon Web Services” — and what that means for the future of compute, cloud, and frontier intelligence.Then they dive into the latest model race: Fable 5, Mythos, ChatGPT 5.5, long-running agents, open source vs. frontier models, Nvidia vs. ASICs, the AI CapEx boom, and why the market may still be underestimating the scale of AI demand. Enjoy another episode of BG2!Timestamps: Intro — SpaceX IPO in Two Days, Mythos Launches, Taiwan Takeaways xAI's Google & Anthropic Deals: Highest Operating Profit Per Gigawatt "Elon Web Services" — Nobody Had AI Compute in the SpaceX Model Data Centers Are Not Commodities: First-Principles Design Orbital Compute Economics: $5B Per Gigawatt in Space vs. $25B on the Ground The Most Underrated Variable: What Cursor Does for xAI's Model Bull & Bear Case — Can SpaceX Really 8X Revenue in 4 Years? Post-IPO Drawdowns, Lock-Ups & How to Size the Position Fable 5, Mythos & Why Snapshot Benchmarks Are Broken Frontier vs. Open Source: 90% of Revenue Accrues at the Frontier $1.5T in CapEx vs. $300B in AI Revenue — Does the Math Math? The Next $1 Trillion: Three Companies, Half the TimeProduced by Edward Schmidt & Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcapGavin Baker @GavinSBaker https://x.com/GavinSBakerClark Tang @_clarktang https://x.com/_clarktangBG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
- Mar 15, 20261h 3m
ChatGPT – The Super Assistant Era | BG2 Guest Interview
In this BG2 guest interview, Altimeter Partner Apoorv Agrawal sits down with Nick Turley of OpenAI for a deep dive into how ChatGPT became one of the fastest-growing products in history—and what comes next.They discuss how OpenAI thinks about retention and product metrics, why long-term engagement matters more than raw growth, and how ChatGPT gets the next billion users. The conversation explores the future of AI assistants: moving beyond chat into proactive agents that can take actions, complete long-horizon tasks, and integrate deeply into users’ daily lives.Nick also shares how OpenAI balances product improvements with breakthrough research, how GPU constraints shape product decisions, and why building for both power users and everyday consumers is essential to discovering new use cases. The episode covers the evolution of ChatGPT pricing, the role of partnerships and distribution, and how OpenAI is thinking about scaling access to AI globally.A must-watch discussion for builders, operators, and investors trying to understand the next phase of AI—from chatbots to true “super assistants.”Timestamps: Intro Nick Turley’s Journey to OpenAI ChatGPT’s North Star: Long-Term Retention Why ChatGPT’s Retention Curve “Smiles” What Drove ChatGPT’s Consumer Breakout How OpenAI Gets the Next Billion Users When ChatGPT Starts Taking Actions Why Coding Agents Came First Beyond Chatbots: The Super Assistant Vision Power Users vs. Casual Users Why ChatGPT Pricing Has to Change Partnerships, Distribution, and Product Tradeoffs GPUs, Scarcity, and the Cost of Scaling AI Shopping, ChatGPT as a Thought Partner, and Code Red OpenAI’s Future Interface, Rapid Fire, AI Jobs, and Nick’s AGI MomentsProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Apoorv Agrawal @apoorv03 https://x.com/apoorv03BG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
- Dec 23, 202545 min
AI Enterprise - Databricks & Glean | BG2 Guest Interview
In this BG2 guest interview, Altimeter partner Apoorv Agrawal sits down with Ali Ghodsi (Databricks) and Arvind Jain (Glean) for a candid, operator-level discussion on what’s actually working in enterprise AI—and what isn’t.They unpack why 95% of AI projects fail, why LLMs are rapidly commoditizing, and why durable advantage is shifting to proprietary data, agentic systems, and workflow integration. The conversation dives deep into real-world use cases across finance, healthcare, and retail; the debate over whether we already have AGI; and how AI spend, CapEx, and valuation bubbles will realistically play out. A must-watch for builder, and investors navigating the AI transition inside real organizations.Timestamps: Intro Consumer AI vs. Enterprise Reality Why 95% of AI Projects Fail RBC, Merck, and 7-Eleven Use Cases What Actually Makes AI Work LLMs Are Commodities—Data Is the Moat Failed AI Bets at Databricks & Glean RPA vs. Generative AI Advice for CIOs Planning AI Budgets AI CapEx and the Revenue Math The Three Camps of AI Making AI Useful Inside Enterprises Why Apps Capture the Value The Future of UI, Voice, and Data Entry Rapid Fire: Winners, Bubbles, Long/ShortProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Apoorv Agrawal @apoorv03 https://x.com/apoorv03BG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
- Oct 31, 20251h 14m
All things AI w @altcap @sama & @satyanadella. A Halloween Special. 🎃🔥BG2 w/ Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner sits down with Satya Nadella (Microsoft) and Sam Altman (OpenAI) to unpack the $3 trillion AI buildout transforming technology, business, and the global economy. They dive deep into the OpenAI–Microsoft partnership, how it unlocked massive scale in the cloud, and what it reveals about the future of intelligence and capital.Nadella breaks down how Microsoft is expanding Azure and Copilot to meet explosive demand. Altman shares his view on progress, power, and the human drive to push boundaries. A candid, energizing conversation about building the future at scale. Enjoy another episode of BG2! Intro Microsoft’s Investment in OpenAI The Nonprofit Structure and Its Impact Health, AI Security, and Resilience Models, Exclusivity, and Distribution Revenue Sharing and AGI Milestones OpenAI’s Growth and Compute Commitments Compute Constraints and Scaling The Future of AI Devices and Consumer Use Regulation and the Patchwork Problem Looking Ahead to 2026 and Beyond Microsoft’s Strategic Value from OpenAI The Economics of AI and SaaS Productivity, Jobs, and the Age of AI Reindustrialization of AmericaProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcapBG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
- Oct 14, 20251h 1m
AI Bubble, Stablecoin Boom, and Runnin' Down a Dream | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner
Pre-Order Runnin' Down a Dream now: https://a.co/d/0oIPPveOpen Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, they unpack the $3T AI buildout, circular revenue red flags, and whether the boom is becoming a bubble. They dive into the rise of stablecoins and the new financial rails reshaping money, the fight over AI regulation in America, and Bill’s next chapter—his new book Runnin' Down a Dream and what it means to build a career you actually love. Enjoy another episode of BG2!Timestamps: Intro Two Years of BG2 Bill Stepping Back to Write His Book Runnin' Down a Dream The AI CapEx Bubble? Sham vs. Real Transactions in AI Microsoft–OpenAI Credits & Cloud Economics Nvidia’s Investments: Healthy or Hype? CoreWeave, Hidden Leverage & Demand Risks $3 Trillion CapEx: Are We Overbuilding AI? The MAG5 CapEx Surge: Too Much, Too Fast? Meta’s CapEx Comeback & AI ROI OpenAI’s Race for Escape Velocity AI Regulation: State Patchwork Madness Why Federal Preemption Is Critical The Colorado & California AI Acts Stablecoin Surge: $18T in Settlements Gurley’s Crypto Conversion From PIX to FedNow: The Future of Digital Money Coinbase, Circle, and the 4% Yield Revolution Why Visa & Banks Fear Stablecoins Gurley: “I’m Jumping on the Crypto Train” Brad on Invest America (Trump Accounts) Implementation Timeline & Treasury Update Bill’s Book: Runnin' Down a Dream The Great Career Reset: Passion vs. Grind Bezos’ Regret Minimization Framework Who the Book Is For Gurley’s Next MissionShow Notes:All-In Summit: Bill Gurley presents 2,851 Miles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9cO3-MLHOMPlain English: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-is-how-the-ai-bubble-could-burst/id1594471023?i=1000728026459Bezos’ Regret Minimization Framework: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwG_qR6XmDQProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcapBill Gurley @bgurley https://x.com/bgurleyBG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
- Sep 26, 20251h 44m
NVIDIA: OpenAI, Future of Compute, and the American Dream | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner
Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, Brad and Clark Tang sit down with Jensen Huang, founder & CEO of NVIDIA, for a sweeping deep dive on the new era of AI. From the $100B partnership with OpenAI to the rise of AI factories, sovereign AI, and protecting the American Dream—this episode explores how accelerated computing is reshaping the global economy. NVIDIA, OpenAI, hyperscalers, and global infrastructure: the AI race is on. Don’t miss this must-listen BG2. Intro The Year in AI Recap OpenAI Stargate & Nvidia Investment Nvidia Accelerated Compute TAM $NVDA ROI – Glut or Bubble? Roundtripping Claims Annual Release Cadence & Extreme Co-design Future of ASICs & Economics Nvidia's Competitive Moat Elon, X.ai & Colossus 2 Sovereign AI & Global Buildout The AI Administration Chinese AI Chips & NVIDIA’s Role H-1B, Talent, & the American Dream Invest America & American Right to Rise The Future AheadProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcapBill Gurley @bgurley https://x.com/bgurleyBG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
- Sep 11, 20251h 8m
Inside OpenAI Enterprise: Forward Deployed Engineering, GPT-5, and More | BG2 Guest Interview
Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, guest host Altimeter’s Apoorv Agrawal explores how OpenAI is reshaping enterprise with Sherwin Wu, Head of Engineering OpenAI Platform, and Olivier Godement, Head of Product OpenAI Platform. From T-Mobile’s AI voice support to Amgen’s drug breakthroughs to Los Alamos’ air-gapped supercomputer—this episode dives into the real world of AI at scale. Enjoy another episode of BG2!Timestamps: Intro OpenAI’s Enterprise Mission: Beyond ChatGPT Case Study: T-Mobile <> Voice & Support Case Study: Amgen <> Accelerating Drug Development Case Study: Los Alamos National Lab Why 95% of AI Deployments Fail? Physical vs Digital Autonomy: Scaffolding & Infrastructure GPT-5: Release, Benchmarks vs Behavior GPT-5 Feedback: Instruction Following, Hallucinations, Code Quality Multimodality: Text, Voice, and Video Audio: Realtime API vs Stitched Audio Model Customization & Reinforcement Fine-Tuning (RFT) Rapid Fire: Long/Short Picks Highlights and Lowlights @ OpenAIShow Notes:T-Mobile Partnership: https://www.t-mobile.com/news/business/t-mobile-launches-intentcx-with-openaiAmgen Partnership: https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-amgen/Los Alamos Partnership: https://www.lanl.gov/media/news/0130-open-aiMIT AI Report: https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdfProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcapBill Gurley @bgurley https://x.com/bgurleyBG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2PodApoorv Agrawal @apoorv03 https://x.com/apoorv03Sherwin Wu @sherwinwu https://x.com/sherwinwuOlivier Godement @oliviergodement https://x.com/oliviergodement
- Aug 28, 20251h 6m
China, China, China. Breaking Down China’s Tech Surge | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner
Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, they dive deep into China’s explosive innovation across AI and EVs, the rise of open-source models, lessons for U.S. competitiveness, the real story on tariffs and trade—and what America must do to win the global tech race. Enjoy another episode of BG2!Timestamps: Intro OpenAI, Anthropic, Private Market Overheating China's Role in the Global Tech Order Why Bill Went to China Dan Wang's Breakneck: Engineers vs Lawyers Xiaomi, BYD, and Auto Innovation Factory Productivity, Automation, and the Jobs Debate Open Source Model Culture in China Can the US Compete Without Reform? Tariffs, Trade Deals, and a Path to Cooperation Waymo, Baidu, and Cost Innovation Is China Winning Global Trade? Debunking the Subsidy Narrative What the CEOs Who Visit China Actually Say China's AI Ecosystem: DeepSeek, Qwen, Alibaba Cloud Open Source in China and the US: Strategic Choices VC Pullback from China & What's Still Happening on the Ground China's New K-Visa vs US Skilled Immigration Policies Gurley: Read Dan Wang’s Breakneck, Watch the Ground Game VC Pullback from ChinaShow Notes:Open Source Development in China https://merics.org/sites/default/files/2021-05/MERICS%20Primer%20Open%20Source%202021_0.pdfLei Jun 2024 Annual Speech: https://www.youtube.com/live/l5f3wvLwLXYProduced by Dan ShevchukMusic by Yung SpielbergAvailable on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.comFollow:Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcapBill Gurley @bgurley https://x.com/bgurleyBG2 Pod @bg2pod https://x.com/BG2Pod
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