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by Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family
Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven.
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- 1 weeks ago1h 6m
MFP 400: From Rules to Responsibility, Giving Teens Freedom
"We have vastly overprotected our children in the real world. We have to give them more freedom." —Jonathan Haidt Summary How much freedom should you give your children—and how do you know when they're ready for more? In this episode, we explore one of parenting's challenging balancing acts: offering children room to grow while providing the guidance and security they still need. Through the relatable picture of teaching a child to swim or drive, we consider why freedom is an art, not a formula, and why every child may need something different. We will tell you some stories from our own experience of our kids' small failures which become valuable preparation for bigger decisions. We will also explain the danger of parents giving too much freedom too early and too little freedom later and why a strong relationship makes wise boundaries easier to receive. If you want to raise responsible, confident young adults while remaining a trusted and loving guide, listen in to this conversation to get some encouragement for your journey. Key Points Children need different levels of freedom depending on their maturity and readiness. Small failures help children develop the wisdom to handle bigger decisions later. Children thrive when parents combine loving relationships with confident, trustworthy guidance. Practice giving children freedom in areas of time management, social relationships, money and technology Couple Discussion Questions How did our parents give us freedom to make choices growing up? Do we think they gave us too much or too little? Where can we give our children more freedom?
- 2 weeks ago58 min
MFP 399: Motherhood - Losing Yourself or Becoming Yourself?
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. - Matthew 11:28 Summary Motherhood changes everything—and sometimes that transformation feels less like a beautiful makeover and more like someone rearranged your whole life while you were trying to sleep. In this honest, hopeful episode, Alicia and guest host Katie Gamboa explore the tension between self-care and sacrificial love. How do mothers give generously without running on empty? We also challenge today's impossible expectations: work, prepare healthy meals, raise happy children, keep the house running, and look effortlessly radiant while doing it all. Spoiler alert: no one was meant to mother alone. From postpartum support and marriage to community, identity, and grace, this conversation offers encouragement for every mom who has wondered, "Will I ever feel like myself again?" Perhaps the invitation isn't to recover the old you, but to become even more fully yourself—messy, loved, stretched, and strengthened by God. So grab your coffee (reheated for the third time), take a breath, and listen in. You were made to give love—but you were also made to receive care. Let's discover how both can beautifully belong together. Key Takeaways The transition to being a mom is huge - don't underestimate how hard it can be and it's ok to be honest about it. Sacrificial love is not the opposite of self-care. You need to care for yourself in order to love sacrificially. Don't feel guilty about loosening the "standards" you set for yourself if it helps you to get through the day. Never forget that you were made for this, but you do need to support your body and heart so you can do what you were made to do. Couple Discussion Questions How has being a mother changed you and how you think of yourself? Of your body? Of our marriage? How can we work together to support our unique roles knowing what a change this has been?
- 3 weeks ago57 min
MFP 398: Discovering Your Child's Unique Gifts
"Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it." — Proverbs 22:6 Summary With so many sports, clubs, arts programs, school choices, and community activities available, how can parents help their children discover their gifts without letting a packed schedule take over family life? Rather than trying to produce a generically successful child, parents are invited to become students of the unique children God has entrusted to them. In this podcast, we encourage parents to give their kids room to try new things, change direction, fail, and discover what fits—because eliminating an option can be just as valuable as finding a passion. We'll also discuss how to name and affirm gifts, cultivate strengths while managing weaknesses, and choose activities and education that suit both the child and the family's season and capacity. You'll hear why faith, marriage, and family relationships must remain more important than performance, and how coaches, teachers, mentors, and relatives can help children see themselves more clearly. Listen in for encouragement to see, know, bless, and guide the child right in front of you. Key Takeaways Observe before directing. Parents become students of their children: watching what draws them, where they lose track of time, what others notice, and what patterns persist. Give kids lots of experiences. Activities, arts, sports, clubs, work, and educational settings function as laboratories in which children discover what fits and what does not. Its ok to try something and not like it! Children often experience their own gifts as "normal." Parents help form identity by calling out the gold they see and, ultimately, blessing the child with words that communicate: I see you. Keep giftedness inside the right hierarchy. Faith, marriage, and family relationships come before performance. Activities and educational opportunities must serve family culture rather than become the family's organizing principle. Widen the circle of adults who can see the child. Coaches, teachers, relatives, mentors, and family friends can confirm gifts parents see - or reveal gifts parents miss. This becomes especially important in adolescence. Transfer ownership as the child matures. Young children receive observation and affirmation from parents; adolescents increasingly reflect on their own strengths, make choices, and learn where they fit in the wider world. Couple Discussion Questions Are the activities our children participate in developing their natural gifts? Can we observe our children, compare notes, and decide how to help them know themselves better? Resources Webpage to LLD Webinar when its up Group Sales of Women Wonderfully Made https://messyfamilyproject.org/courses/women-wonderfully-made-group/
- 4 weeks ago36 min
MFP 397: The No-Resentment Rosary
"The Holy Rosary, by age-old tradition, has shown itself particularly effective as a prayer which brings the family together." —St. John Paul II, Rosarium Virginis Mariae, no. 41 Summary Have you ever gathered the family to pray the Rosary—and wondered if all the fidgeting, correcting, and frustration were helping your children love prayer or simply teaching them to endure it? In this episode, we take an honest look at praying the Rosary with kids. Perseverance matters, but so do creativity, patience, and sensitivity to the needs of your particular family. The goal is not merely to finish five decades or imitate another Catholic household. It is to form children who know that prayer is a place of peace, connection, and love—and who will reach for the Rosary throughout their lives. We explore why this ancient prayer is so powerful: it is scriptural, meditative, intercessory, communal, and contemplative. It is also a "graduated" prayer that can be entered into by a small child, a busy parent, or a contemplative saint. We share practical ideas for making it part of real family life, from praying one decade or taking a walking Rosary to using pictures, Scripture, candles, audio recordings, car rides, and bedtime routines. Your family Rosary does not have to look perfect to bear fruit. Begin small, make room for children to be children, and create an atmosphere they will remember with affection. Give them more than a completed Rosary—give them a lifelong prayer of their own. Key Takeaways 1. Love is the goal. The deeper purpose is not completing the Rosary but helping children develop a lifelong love of prayer. 2. Discern what serves your family. Your Rosary does not need to look like anyone else's. Consider your children's ages, personalities, and needs. 3. Begin small and get creative. Try one decade, a walking Rosary, sacred images, Scripture, car rides, or bedtime prayer. 4. Create an atmosphere of peace. Children may forget what you said, but they will remember how family prayer felt. 5. Lead through witness. Praying as a couple and allowing your children to see that you treasure the Rosary can be powerful formation. Couple discussion questions 1. Is the way we currently pray helping our children love prayer—or merely teaching them to endure it? 2. What practical change could make our family Rosary more peaceful, engaging, and appropriate for our children's current ages? 3. How can we strengthen our own prayer life as a couple so our children encounter the Rosary as something we genuinely love? Resources Link to lead like a dad waitlist Messy Family Rosary App Apple Android
- Aug 31, 202641 min
MFP 396: The Great Family Reboot
"Every action you take is a vote for the type of person you wish to become." - James Clear Summary Is your family running on good routines—or on lost shoes, late-night permission slips, and someone yelling, "Where is your backpack?" If summer loosened every habit in your house, this episode is your invitation to hit the family reset button. We're talking honestly about the routines that shape family culture, whether we choose them or simply fall into them. Bedtimes, chores, prayer, screens, school mornings, and family meals don't just organize the day; over time, they help determine who we become. We'll show you how to assess three essential areas of family life: the spiritual life of your home, your marriage, and the formation of your children. Then we'll get practical about turning vague hopes like "we should pray more" or "the kids need to help" into habits your real family can actually follow. Using four principles from *Atomic Habits*, we'll explore how to make good routines obvious, attractive, easy, and satisfying. Expect chore charts, backpack stations, bedtime prayer, brownies after the Rosary, and our hard-earned rule for getting a large family out the door without losing everyone's sanctification. This isn't about creating an Instagram-perfect household. It's about reducing chaos, restoring connection, and building a home where everyone knows they belong. Key Takeaways A fall family reset has four parts: Assess: Honestly examine your family culture. Focus: Choose the pain point that needs the most attention. Create a habit: Build a practical system around the change. Find accountability: Invite your spouse to support you. You do not need to overhaul your entire family this fall. Choose one meaningful change that will help you move from reacting moment by moment to living on purpose. Couple Discussion Questions What are our biggest pain points right now that we need to change? What is our best habit that we can build on? Resources Speaking Request page Events page www.catholiccouplesgetaway.com
- Aug 24, 202659 min
MFP 395: Who Comes First? Navigating the Hard Choices of Family Life
Family life is full of competing needs, responsibilities, and relationships. And sometimes there isn't one obvious "right" answer. Summary In this listener questions episode, Mike, Alicia, and Katie tackle some of the complicated situations real families are facing: What should a mom do when her teenage son starts turning to Dad instead of her? How do you discern where your family should live? Should you move if your spouse is unhappy but your children are thriving? How do you honor your parents while putting your spouse first? They also discuss life with a large family in a small house, sibling bickering, extracurriculars, protecting family dinners, and caring for aging parents from far away. Through all of these questions runs one important truth: you can't eliminate every tension or make everyone happy. The goal is to discern what God is asking of you, protect the unity of your marriage, and confidently lead the family He has entrusted to you. **In this episode:** Connecting with teenage sons as their relationship with Dad changes * Discerning where God is calling your family to live * Balancing the needs of your spouse and children * "Leaving and cleaving" while still honoring your parents * Making small spaces work for large families * Handling sibling bickering and extracurricular overload * Protecting family time in the middle of sports and activities * Loving and caring for aging parents from a distance For more information on this and other topics visit: https://www.messyfamilyproject.org/
- Aug 17, 20261h 2m
MFP 394: NFP- Love, Life, and Learning Self-Control
Catholic couples don't discern if they should have a child, they discern if they should postpone pregnancy. These are two different conversations. Summary This re-release of a 2015 episode presents Natural Family Planning as more than a technique: it's a way of living that contrasts sharply with a culture focused on control and convenience. We explore how modern society tends to "engineer" outcomes, even in areas like fertility, while NFP invites couples to cooperate with the natural design of the body, integrating both faith and science. This approach requires intentional communication, shared decision-making, and a willingness to embrace sacrifice, particularly through periodic abstinence. Rather than seeing these challenges as burdens, we can view them as opportunities for growth in virtue, deeper unity, and trust in God. Key Takeaways Catholic teaching on marriage holds love and life together. Marriage is both unitive and procreative, meaning sex is meant to express love between spouses while remaining open to the possibility of new life. Humanae Vitae was not just a rule, but a prophetic warning. The Church warned that widespread acceptance of contraception would lead to moral decline, marital infidelity, loss of respect for women, abuse of power, and a distorted sense of control over the human body. Responsible parenthood requires prayerful discernment, not pressure or guilt. Couples are called to use reason, wisdom, Church teaching, and honest prayer to discern whether they are ready for another child, taking into account physical, emotional, psychological, economic, and family circumstances. Natural Family Planning can be hard, but it can also form couples in love and self-gift. NFP requires discipline, communication, patience, and sacrifice. It can bring struggles, especially around affection, desire, and misunderstanding, but it also invites spouses to love each other beyond physical intimacy alone. Children are a blessing, not a burden or a lifestyle accessory. While raising children is demanding, they are one of the greatest fruits of marriage. They change, challenge, and sanctify parents, and families should not measure children only by cost, convenience, or cultural expectations. Couple Discussion Questions Do you feel like we communicate openly about family size, timing, and fertility decisions? How do you experience the "sacrifice" aspect of NFP? What kind of family culture do we want to build around life, children, and generosity? How can we better support each other during more difficult seasons? Resources MFP 158: Oh Baby! How Many Babies Should We Have? Humanae Vitae USCCB on Natural Family Planning Dr. Janet Smith Couple to Couple League NaProTechnology (Creighton Model of NFP) Theology of the Bod
- Aug 10, 20261h 1m
MFP 393: Helping Kids Grow Through Hard Things
High expectations along with high support produces resilient kids. Summary In this episode, Mike and Alicia focus on the challenge of raising resilient kids in a culture that often prioritizes comfort and protection. They emphasize that while parents naturally shield their children from pain and failure, doing so too often can actually prevent them from developing the strength and perseverance they need in life. Instead, resilience is built when kids are allowed to express appropriate struggles, learn from mistakes, and grow through adversity with the steady support of their parents. This re-release of a 2017 episode encourages couples to find a balance between being caring and supportive without over-rescuing, and to intentionally foster a family culture where challenges are seen as opportunities for growth rather than problems to avoid. Key Takeaways Kids will experience all kind of small hardships in childhood and these are life's way of making them stronger. For example, not being chosen, relationship difficulties, failure in athletics or school. Some kids are more or less naturally resilient Parents need to be aware of the pitfalls of taking on their children's pain or seeing their failure as our failure. Practice intentional parenting. Begin with speaking to them the truth, then teach them to take responsibility for their actions, and see how they can learn from the experience. High expectations along with high support produce resilient kids. Couple Discussion Questions How do we usually react when our child fails, gets hurt emotionally, or feels left out? How can we better balance being supportive without removing struggle? Resources MFP 353: Why are Kids so Anxious? MFP 335: Safety-ism
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Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven.
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