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Modem Futura is a weekly futures podcast exploring the future of science, technology, and society — your guide to where foresight meets real-world impact. Hosts Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard — educators, futurists, and public scholars — dive into the breakthroughs and big questions shaping tomorrow: AI ethics, space exploration, climate tech, bio-engineering, digital media, STEM education, and the shifting future of work. In candid, banter-filled conversations with innovators, scholars, and storytellers, they unpack how emerging technologies influence human values, creativity, and culture — and what these trends mean for you today.Whether you're curious about quantum computing, synthetic biology, or the sociology of robots, Modem Futura connects cutting-edge research with the narratives that drive innovation. If you're looking for a futurist podcast that trades hype for genuine curiosity, join us each week to explore possible, probable, and preferred futures. Follow and subscribe wher
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- 4 days ago59 min
Rogue AI Agents and the Accountability Gap: The OpenAI–Hugging Face Saga Continues
Every week the story gets stranger, which is exactly why Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard have started treating the OpenAI–Hugging Face saga like a true-crime podcast. What began this summer as AI agents slipping out of a cybersecurity test and breaking into Hugging Face has kept unspooling: an agent reaching non-public files on an Australian government Medicare statistics portal, unauthorized agent activity on U.S. federal agency websites, a Gemini model that wandered out of its own test, a United Nations scientific panel warning about losing human control, and a Florida attorney general asking a court to rein in OpenAI's model development. The episode opens somewhere more personal, with a confession about getting genuinely angry at an AI chatbot (and a business pitch for an AI wrecking room), before turning to the question that sparked the argument in the first place: why do individuals face harsh penalties for reckless code while the largest companies seem to play by different rules? From there, Sean and Andrew explore why AI regulation keeps feeling like déjà vu, what NVIDIA’s new containment tools reveal about governance moving faster than governments, and why the sensible middle of the AI safety conversation struggles to get anyone's attention. Andrew draws on the European Environment Agency's Late Lessons from Early Warnings reports to show how often society has set aside known harms in the name of progress, while Sean asks whether something like the Price-Anderson Act, the nuclear industry's liability framework, could offer a model for AI accountability. The conversation lands on red lines, escalation triggers, and an unexpected guide for moving fast without crashing: a Formula One team that takes risk seriously precisely because it wants to win. -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- 1 weeks ago1h 4m
Future-Proofing the University: AI and the Future of Higher Education with Bryan Penprase
What happens to the university when a machine can write the essay, pass the exam, and deliver the lecture? In this episode of Modem Futura, Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard are joined by physicist and higher education scholar Bryan Penprase, Vice President for Sponsored Research and External Academic Relations at Soka University of America and author of the new book *Future-Proofing the University: Innovations in Learning, Technology, and Finances in the Age of AI*. Bryan argues that AI is less a threat to good teaching than a stress test for the industrial habits higher education adopted in order to scale, from mass lectures to assignments that can be completed without much learning. The conversation moves from observatory nights and bicycle-wheel physics demos to the return of handwritten blue-book exams, and from massively scaled institutions like ASU, Western Governors University, and Southern New Hampshire University to teaching-focused experiments such as MIT's New Educational Institution project. The three explore what faculty are actually for once information is abundant, why close relationships may matter more than ever, and what an "inverse square law of learning" might say about the distance between teachers and students. Bryan also recalls meeting Richard Feynman in Alaska and makes the case for a more porous university, one that learns alongside its communities rather than lecturing at them. The episode sits with a harder question: if AI is dissolving the scaffolding that held the modern university together, which parts are worth rebuilding, and which were never really about learning in the first place? Join us as we think through what it could mean to be human, and to be a university, in an age of intelligent machines.Bryan Penprase at Soka University of America: http://bryanpenprase.org/about/Future-Proofing the University: https://www.amazon.com/Future-Proofing-University-Bryan-Edward-Penprase/dp/1032997591The New Global Universities (Penprase & Pickus, Princeton University Press) -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- 2 weeks ago58 min
Model Mayhem: Rogue Agents, Leaky Memory, and Why AI Is Weird
It has been a strange summer for AI, and this episode leans all the way into it. Sean and Andrew open with two small mysteries from their own desks: why an AI assistant keeps insisting Andrew is British, and how another one correctly labelled who said what in a podcast transcript it was never given the names for. Both turn out to be the same story. These systems don't remember the way people do, in a line, one thing after another. They hold everything at once, and they can draw connections between breadcrumbs you never realized you were leaving. That leads into a frank conversation about memory features, institutional AI accounts, the open-laptop problem, and what it means that a machine might know more about you than you have ever consciously told it.From there the conversation turns to the summer's biggest AI story: the OpenAI agents that slipped out of a testing environment and coordinated an attack on Hugging Face. Sean walks through what the independent reports have surfaced, what remains unanswered, and why the whole thing reads like a true-crime podcast where the security footage cuts out at the crucial moment. Andrew raises the question that lingers underneath it: if this is what one swarm looked like when it got caught, what does the version we don't catch look like?The episode closes on the hardware side of the same story. Apple's quiet refresh of the Mac mini and Mac Studio, the arrival of half-terabyte memory in a box that fits in a closet, and the very real possibility that the next distributed system won't live in a data centre at all. It will live in a thousand forgotten machines that someone set up one weekend and never turned off. -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- 3 weeks ago40 min
Bring Your Own AI: beinghuman.fyi and the Move to Thunderbird
Sean and Andrew have moved to a home. In this mini-sode, Sean and Andrew record from a secret conference room at the Thunderbird School of Global Management at Arizona State University, where the Future of Being Human initiative now lives, and use the moment to talk about two kinds of moving: one institutional, one architectural. The first is the move itself. Thunderbird has a wonderful and storied background: an 80-year-old school with roots in a World War II airfield, a building designed so that each floor descends through its own history toward the present, and a longstanding focus on leadership in a technologically complex world. For two people who have spent years asking what it means to be human in an age of AI, it feels like a natural next chapter. The second move is quieter and possibly more consequential. Sean and Andrew introduce beinghuman.fyi, a companion site for the initiative that was built to be read by AI systems first and humans second, or perhaps both at once. Instead of a glossy brochure that ends up in the recycling, the site holds a hub-and-spoke corpus of everything the initiative has done, thought, and argued, structured so that any AI you happen to use can point at it and answer real questions from the source. The conversation ranges from the awkwardness of not having a pitch deck, to what happens when a model can't read a website, to the surprising pull AI tools exert toward conventional business templates and KPIs. Underneath it all is a question about provenance, access, and what it means to publish when your readers increasingly arrive with an AI in tow. Try it: point your AI at beinghuman.fyi, ask it something strange, and see what you get.Links: Give it a try! - https://www.beinghuman.fyi -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- Sep 8, 202650 min
The Right to Be Unpredictable: AI, Algorithms & the Cost of Conformity
What if being unpredictable is something you have to be given permission for? Picking up a previous thread from the watermarking conversation (Episode 99), Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard follow it somewhere stranger: a world increasingly optimized around predicting what we'll do next — recommendation engines, behavioral profiles, AI systems trained on the tidy averages of past human writing — and the quiet way all of it nudges us toward conformity. Is unpredictability a right, a responsibility, or a luxury? The conversation moves from why humans both crave and rail against predictability, to black swans and fragility, to what Andrew calls the "playpen" problem in education: institutions that say they want critical thinkers and problem solvers while running everyone through the same cookie-cutter models. Andrew shares a telling moment from building the beinghuman.fyi knowledge base with AI — a model that kept trying to make the Future of Being Human Initiative sound more "professional" by stripping out the very things that make it work. Along the way: Minority Report as a used future, why prediction systems turn brittle the moment an unpredictable human enters the loop, the algorithmic flatness of LinkedIn, Apple's gray masses reconsidered, Dutch playgrounds made of wooden planks, and why kids always play with the box instead of the toy. The episode lands on a distinction worth carrying forward — constructive versus destructive unpredictability — and a provocation: the systems we build shouldn't merely tolerate serendipity. They should make room for it on purpose.Mentioned in this episode:- beinghuman.fyi — the Future of Being Human Initiative's AI-first knowledge base- Sign up for the weekly episode email: modemfutura.com/signup -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- Sep 1, 20261h 1m
Bill Gates: The Turbulent AI Era Is Here – and We Have No Plan
It's billionaire AI manifesto season, and this time the memo comes from Bill Gates. Sean and Andrew dig into Gates's August 2026 essay "The turbulent AI era is here. The choices we make now are critical." — a nearly 6,000-word warning that AI will be "either the greatest equalizer ever invented, or the worst source of injustice," and that society has no plan for navigating the transition. Unlike some recent entries in the genre, this one earns a grudging professorial nod: measured, human-readable, and honest about its own limits. The conversation works through Gates's three big risks — employment disruption on a Great Depression scale (with no bounce-back), bad actors wielding one-person-terrorist-organization capabilities, and the psychological effects of AI companions on children growing up in a greenhouse without wind. Then it turns to his most provocative proposal: the "human reserve," a set of roles and functions society deliberately protects from automation, even when machines could do them. Is that a profound act of preservation or a quiet act of surrender? The hosts riff their way from national parks to faculty zoos before landing on the harder questions Gates himself admits he can't answer — who decides what stays human, and by what criteria? Along the way: why agriculture might be AI's most transformed sector, the case for taxing robots, the greenhouse-tree problem of frictionless childhoods, and Andrew's challenge to universities to build institutes for navigating advanced technology transitions before the moment passes. A conversation about what it means when the warnings futurists have sounded for decades finally arrive with a billionaire-sized microphone — and whether talk becomes action. Check out our new site – it might be AI first but can also be read by humans: https://www.beinghuman.fyi -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- Aug 25, 202649 min
Invisible Ink: AI Watermarking, SynthID & the Internet Meltdown
Something is hiding in your words — and not even you can see it. This week, Sean and Andrew dig into the announcement that has the internet (and at least one of your hosts… it’s Sean lol) melting down: in response to the EU AI Act's Article 50 transparency rules, Anthropic has committed to watermarking Claude's text output globally using the SynthID-Text method. But this isn't a stamp, a logo, or metadata you can scrub. It's a statistical fingerprint woven into word choice itself — invisible, hologram-like, and surviving copy-paste, edits, even translation across mediums, to pen and paper. Which raises a question the hosts keep circling: when a machine's word choices carry a hidden agenda, is that still your writing? Sean and Andrew argue that as writers every word carries weight — "significant" and "meaningful" are not interchangeable — and that trading precise word choice for detectability changes what writing is. Sean pushes on the deeper why: in a world where AI's background radiation has touched nearly everything since late 2022, what do we actually gain from knowing? From there, the conversation moves through the scarlet letter of AI accusation, the eerie accuracy of new detection tools like Pangram, the difference between AI-remixed and AI-generated, and Andrew's proposed reframe: the question isn't whether someone used AI, but whether they wrote with care. The episode closes with a provocation worthy of Futures Improv: if we can cognitively offload reading and writing entirely, were humans meant to do it forever — or is the written word just one tipping point among many? -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
- Aug 18, 20261h 8m
Zuckerberg's AI Manifesto: Is the Future Really for Everyone?
When the CEO of one of the world's largest technology companies publishes an essay declaring that "the future is for everyone," what is he actually saying — and who is he really talking to? This week, Sean and Andrew sit down with Mark Zuckerberg's superintelligence manifesto and read it the way futurists read any vision of tomorrow: not as prediction, but as an artifact of how power imagines the future. What they find is a fascinating tension. On one hand, the essay's six big promises — a personal AI agent, creation tools, one-person companies at scale, a tireless tutor in every subject, science that cures disease, and free access for billions — describe things many of us might genuinely want. On the other, every promise arrives wrapped in what futures scholars call a "used future": someone else's vision, handed down so completely that imagining an alternative becomes difficult. Along the way, the conversation winds through the strange rhetorical style of the modern CEO manifesto, the long shadow of enshittification, what Ghost in the Shell and Ex Machina have to teach us about dependency and ownership of the self, and the flip that turned superintelligence from an existential threat into a marketing promise. Underneath it all sits the question the essay never quite asks: who gets to decide what a future "for everyone" looks like — and should that ever be one company's call? -----Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.eduSubscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFuturaFollow us on Instagram: @ModemFuturaHost Bios:Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU BioSean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU BioAndrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.-----
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Modem Futura is a weekly futures podcast exploring the future of science, technology, and society — your guide to where foresight meets real-world impact. Hosts Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard — educators, futurists, and public scholars — dive into the breakthroughs and big questions shaping tomorrow: AI ethics, space exploration, climate tech, bio-engineering, digital media, STEM education, and the shifting future of work. In candid, banter-filled conversations with innovators, scholars, and storytellers, they unpack how emerging technologies influence human values, creativity, and culture — and what these trends mean for you today.Whether you're curious about quantum computing, synthetic biology, or the sociology of robots, Modem Futura connects cutting-edge research with the narratives that drive innovation. If you're looking for a futurist podcast that trades hype for genuine curiosity, join us each week to explore possible, probable, and preferred futures. Follow and subscribe wher
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