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Other People's Money is the premier podcast about the business side of the fund management industry. Every week Max Wiethe sits down to learn from some of the best entrepreneurial fund managers about their experience launching and growing a fund management business. OPM is not a show about the next hot stock pick or big trade but an inside look at an opaque and misunderstood industry guided by real professional fund managers who've done it themselves.
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- 1 weeks ago1h 0m
How This Real Estate Investor is Betting on an AI Boom (It’s Not Data Centers) | Tom Shapiro
Learn more about the Fundrise Income Fund here: https://fundrise.com/mm In this episode of Other People's Money, GTIS Partners founder and CIO Tom Shapiro breaks down how massive macroeconomic shifts, including AI and inflation, are reshaping the global real estate landscape. He explains why his firm is heavily betting on a San Francisco recovery driven by the booming AI sector, and how they are scooping up properties at steep discounts to replacement costs. Shapiro also details the severe oversupply challenges currently stalling popular Sun Belt cities, alongside the firm's strategic push into industrial logistics to capitalize on domestic reshoring trends. Finally, he shares decades of expertise on navigating the complex Brazilian real estate market, offering a masterclass on global investment strategies in a high-interest-rate environment. Learn more about GTIS Partners: https://www.gtispartners.com/ Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:30 Macro Shocks and Inflation 02:30 AI Disruption Risks 04:27 Tracking Jobs and Households 06:09 Immigration and Rate Politics 08:03 Build to Rent Bill Fallout 11:57 Affordability and Mortgage Rates 14:41 Fundrise Income Fund 16:36 Regional Winners and Losers 17:12 Sun Belt Oversupply Pain 19:57 San Francisco Comeback Thesis 24:35 AI Occupancy and Investment Plays 28:28 Picking Buildings Block by Block 30:02 Picking the Right Building 30:21 Safety and City Recovery 33:39 AI Jobs and Office Demand 35:17 Froth and Real Revenues 37:39 Data Centers NIMBY Debate 39:54 Reshoring and Warehouse Boom 44:09 Real Estate Capital Markets 49:07 Why Brazil Worked 52:46 Brazil Rates and Currency 55:15 Politics and China Pull 58:44 US Outlook and Wrap Up
- 1 weeks ago1h 8m
Things Are Going to Get Even Crazier: The Macro Regime Shift | Andreas Steno Larsen
Learn More About Unlimited HFGM Global Macro ETF $HFGM: https://unlimitedetfs.com/hfgm Andreas Steno Larsen, macro researcher from Real Vision, joins Max Wiethe on Other People’s Money to discuss the shifting macro regime where inflation has returned and is pushing US Treasury yields over 5%. They discuss the market’s expectation for interest rate hikes and how the new Fed chair Kevin Warsh will react to this environment. They also discuss the other dominant force in markets right now, the AI buildout. Steno Larsen argues that things are going to get crazier before the cycle turns later this year, but in the meantime the shortages in the AI supply chain are creating unappreciated winners in the technology sector. Follow Andreas Steno Larsen on X: https://x.com/AndreasSteno Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:50 Inflation and the Big Macro Shift 01:43 Transitory Inflation Debate 04:19 Bond Trade Timing 06:13 Steep Curve Playbook 09:41 Why Steepening Helps 12:24 Strong Dollar EM Risk 14:35 HFGM Unlimited Funds 16:51 India Data Versus Rupee 18:24 Energy Supply Countdown 21:23 LatAm Underperformance 23:27 AI Inflation Link 26:52 Korea Semis Surge 28:26 Momentum with Earnings 30:39 Quantum Hype Warning 32:24 Semis Cycle Peak Question 34:47 Late Cycle Winners Flip 39:01 IPO Supply and Rotation 43:35 Valuation Metrics Reframed 46:11 Hidden Scarcity Trade 49:21 Goods Inflation Returns 51:15 AI Jobs and Robotics 54:07 White Collar Disruption Map 59:53 LLMs and Bad Facts 01:04:47 Momentum vs. Value Edge 01:06:15 Rapid Fire Outlook and Wrap
- 3 weeks ago1h 2m
Lending Where the Banks Won’t Go: What’s Fueling Europe’s Growing Real Estate Private Credit Market?
Learn more about the Fundrise Income Fund here: https://fundrise.com/mm In this episode of Other People's Money, Thomas Lloyd-Jones, Co-founder and CIO of Zenz Capital, joins the show to unpack the nuances of the real estate private credit market. He explains how the media often conflates direct lending with the broader asset class, overlooking real estate and asset-backed lending. Lloyd-Jones details how increasing banking regulations are forcing traditional lenders to retreat, creating a widening gap for opportunistic credit funds to step in. This podcast is for informational purposes only and not an inducement to invest with Zenzic Capital. Zenzic Capital’s investment products are limited to professional clients only. The information within this podcast should not be relied upon as tax, legal or investment advice. Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:52 Private Credit Breakdown 03:32 BDCs And Redemptions 06:35 Allocation Failure Debate 08:47 Regulation and Fragmentation 12:07 Basel III Shift 14:10 Fundrise Income Fund 15:10 Systemic Risk and Leverage 17:36 Banks’ Retreat is Opportunity 20:56 Good vs. Bad Risk Premia 24:39 Senior Finance 28:44 Downside Protection and Spotting Bad Deals 37:48 Macro Matters for Exits 40:13 Finding Fixable Distress 43:22 Geopolitics and Rate Shock 47:01 Preferred Equity Playbook 51:49 When Development Risk Pays 54:52 Student Housing Reality Check 59:40 Macro Allocation Framework 01:01:59 Conclusion
- Apr 30, 202646 min
SpaceX IPO: Why This Hedge Fund Manager is Fading the Hype | Moez Kassam
Monetary Matters is now streaming daily as part of Monitoring the Situation. Join us live on X and YouTube from 4 to 5 PM ET Monday through Friday @MTSlive for live interviews and analysis breaking down the market’s most important situations. This is recording of a recent live interview from MTS. Hosts Jack Farley and Max Wiethe are joined by Moez Kassam, the Chief Investment Officer of Anson Funds. Moez breaks down his strategy for generating alpha by acting as a contrarian and fading the crowd during times of rampant market speculation. In this episode, we cover: • The SpaceX IPO Rumors: Moez discusses the potential mechanics of the largest expected IPO in history and the rumors of early investor unlocks. He also details the "Day 9" trading strategy surrounding Nasdaq index inclusion. • The Massive Cannabis Opportunity: Learn why Anson Funds believes the U.S. cannabis sector could see a 400% move in a few years. Moez breaks down the DEA's descheduling process and the elimination of the restrictive 280E tax code. • Software and Activism: Why the indiscriminate selling of software stocks has created a massive opportunity for free cash flow investors and activist campaigns. • Navigating Emerging Tech: A candid assessment of AI, Space, and Quantum technologies. Moez explains why Quantum is facing a massive discount rate and why investors should be wary of the "me-too" space stocks. • Crypto & Private Credit: Insights from the recent Trump Crypto Conference and why the extreme negative sentiment around private credit makes its 10-15% yields highly attractive. Follow Moez Kassam on Instagram: @munchingmoez Follow Moez Kassam on X: https://x.com/MunchingMoez Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:10 SpaceX IPO Setup 05:49 Index Inclusion Trade 07:21 S-1 Filing Reality Check 08:32 Elon Rolls Up Businesses 12:12 Shorting Space Me Toos 13:35 AI, Space, Quantum Hype 16:18 Software Selloff and Activism 18:42 Cannabis Contrarian Bet 21:44 Descheduling Mechanics 24:30 AI & Semis: Crowded Trade? 26:10 Crypto Mood Shift 29:29 Media Activism Plays 31:16 Software Cash Flow vs Hype 34:49 Measuring Market Sentiment 37:51 Bitcoin Crowd Psychology 40:06 Shipping and Energy Contrarian 41:16 Canada: Gold & Oil Pulse 43:35 Process Over Predictions 45:50 Private Credit Negativity 46:34 Outro
- Apr 29, 20261h 1m
From Soros to Old Farm: How to Identify the Market’s Top Thematic Risk-Takers | Kieran Cavanna | Old Farm Partners
This episode is brought to you by CAIA.nxt. Learn more about their alternatives education courses for investment advisors and get 10% off with code MMTEN: https://caia.org/content/welcome-monetary-matters-and-other-peoples-money-listeners Kieran Cavanna, the founder and CIO of Old Farm Partners and former head of external managers at Soros Fund Management joins Other People’s Money to break down his high-conviction approach to thematic investing, explaining why "making the main thing the main thing" is the secret to capturing outsized returns in the public markets. From his time working under legendary macro investor Scott Bessent to his current focus at Old Farm Partners, Kieran shares how he identifies "asymmetric" opportunities where the upside is massive and the downside is protected. If you've ever wondered how the world’s most sophisticated allocators source managers and structure co-investments to beat the market, this is an interview you can't miss. Listen to the Thematic Investors Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTSvmgAOiFVttgxmUaO4hSgMxutOwyS9T Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:17 Soros External Managers 03:36 What Makes Great Managers 07:01 Spotting Skill Vs Luck 08:47 Risk Management 12:37 Geography and Benchmarks 15:21 Style Drift and Communication 18:57 Fees and Multi Strat Debate 22:30 Spinouts and Independence 26:47 Co-Investing in Public Markets 30:06 Allocator Base and Drawdown Focus 31:12 Family Office Allocators 32:13 Private Credit Shift 36:57 Big Launches Small Wins 38:40 AI CapEx Main Event 41:26 Defense Tech Next Theme 42:44 Asymmetry Not Binary 44:51 Cross Sector Blind Spots 49:51 Crowded Trades Unwind 52:58 Macro Themes Bottom Up 57:37 Risks and Hedging 59:42 Thematic Investors Podcast
- Apr 14, 20261h 10m
"I Don't Believe the Stagflation Narrative": How the Strong Consumer and AI Tailwinds Shape Sean Emory's Bullish Blueprint | Avory & Co
This episode is sponsored by Pictet Asset Management and its AI-enhanced equity ETFs. Pictet AI Enhanced US Equity ETF (PQUS): https://etf.am.pictet.com/pqus/?utm_campaign=usetf&cid=2826077237&utm_source=jfmv&utm_content=pquslp&utm_medium=podcast_02&utm_term=noterm Pictet AI Enhanced International Equity ETF (PQNT): https://etf.am.pictet.com/pqnt/?utm_campaign=usetf&cid=2715538577&utm_source=jfmv&utm_content=pqnt&utm_medium=podcast_02&utm_term=noterm In this episode of the OPM podcast, Avery and Co. founder Sean Emory explains why he firmly rejects the stagflation narrative and believes the consumer remains in fine shape. Emory argues that despite the psychological impact of higher gas prices, strong tax refunds and a stable housing market are continuing to support consistent consumer spending. He breaks down how this stable macroeconomic view aligns with his fundamental investment approach, detailing high-conviction bets on consumer-oriented companies like Clear Secure and First Watch. The conversation also explores how Emory leverages these macro insights alongside bottom-up analysis to identify long-term value in technology platforms such as Block, Zoom, and Omnicell. Listen to Avory’s Podcast here: https://www.avory.xyz/insidescooppodcast Follow Sean Emory on X: https://x.com/_SeanDavid Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:26 Avery Investing Style 02:56 Oil Shock Consumer Check 06:27 Housing Inflation Outlook 10:37 K Shaped Economy 13:50 AI, Employment, and Flows 18:06 Pictet AI-Enhanced Equity ETFs 19:41 Using AI for Investment Research 28:12 How AI is Making Trading More Short Term 31:09 Block ($XYZ) Investment Thesis 36:26 Zoom ($ZM) Investment Thesis 43:35 Defining Small Caps 45:57 Omnicell ($OMCL) Investment Thesis 53:42 Zillow ($Z) and Airbnb ($ABNB) Investment Thesis 54:58 Zillow Flywheel Explained 01:02:02 Housing Catalysts 01:04:30 Waiting Out AI Valuations 01:07:31 SpaceX IPO Speculation 01:09:31 Outro
- Apr 9, 20261h 2m
"The Best Time to Invest": How AI Disruption is Reshaping Software Valuations | Ben Topor | Titan Capital Partners
This episode is sponsored by Pictet Asset Management and its AI-enhanced equity ETFs. Pictet AI Enhanced US Equity ETF (PQUS): https://etf.am.pictet.com/pqus/?utm_campaign=usetf&cid=2826077237&utm_source=jfmv&utm_content=pquslp&utm_medium=podcast_02&utm_term=noterm Pictet AI Enhanced International Equity ETF (PQNT): https://etf.am.pictet.com/pqnt/?utm_campaign=usetf&cid=2715538577&utm_source=jfmv&utm_content=pqnt&utm_medium=podcast_02&utm_term=noterm Max Wiethe sits down with Ben Topor, founder of Titan Capital Partners and author of Decoding the Software Landscape, to unpack the seismic shifts happening in the tech investment world. Topor explains how AI is commoditizing the software application layer and shares why the recent correction in software valuations makes this a prime time to invest. The conversation also delves into the booming secondary market, the structural differences between US and Israeli tech hubs, and how startups can build unbreachable AI-proof moats through distribution and proprietary data. Finally, Topor reveals the strategic tactics founders use to outmaneuver tech giants by moving in silence and misdirecting competitors. Follow Ben Topor: https://x.com/ben_topor Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:10 Mapping the Software Landscape 03:45 What AI Changes in Software 09:13 AI Led M&A Wave 13:36 Valuations and Timing 15:34 Secondaries Liquidity Thesis 17:33 Pictet AI-Enhanced Equity ETFs 19:08 How Titan Buys Secondaries 21:07 Why Companies Stay Private 23:00 Finding Category Leaders 26:47 Reading Financial Symptoms 28:37 Mispriced Gems or Turnarounds? 31:25 Exit Paths Today 35:17 Investing in Israel 38:16 Cybersecurity Edge 41:08 Too Much Capital 43:38 AI Proof Moats 45:17 What Counts as Data 46:40 Private Credit Risks 50:36 Down Rounds Reframed 53:51 Titan’s Value Add 57:18 Competitive Maneuvering 01:02:37 Conclusion
- Apr 7, 20261h 9m
Why Emerging Markets are Finally Outperforming Developed Markets | Robert Koenigsberger | Gramercy
This episode is sponsored by Pictet Asset Management and its AI-enhanced equity ETFs. Pictet AI Enhanced US Equity ETF (PQUS): https://etf.am.pictet.com/pqus/?utm_campaign=usetf&cid=2826077237&utm_source=jfmv&utm_content=pquslp&utm_medium=podcast_02&utm_term=noterm Pictet AI Enhanced International Equity ETF (PQNT): https://etf.am.pictet.com/pqnt/?utm_campaign=usetf&cid=2715538577&utm_source=jfmv&utm_content=pqnt&utm_medium=podcast_02&utm_term=noterm Emerging market outperformance is turning investors’ heads and in this episode of Other People’s Money, Robert Koenigsberger, CIO and founder of multi-billion dollar EM alternative asset manager Gramercy, explains why the macro environment has emerging markets looking more developed than some developed markets, particularly in how swiftly their central banks acted to combat inflation. He also explains how passive index investing can do damage to an emerging market portfolio and why the typical EM approach focusing on exposure is all wrong. Koenigsberger also dives into the structural advantages of emerging market private credit over its developed market counterparts, emphasizing the importance of local networks, senior secured collateral, and having a positive influence on corporate governance. Follow Robert Koenigsberger on X: https://x.com/GramercyRK Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:36 Pictet AI ETFs 01:54 How EM Investing Evolved 02:48 Why EMs Outperformed 04:08 Debt vs Equity Returns 06:09 Policy Convergence EM vs. DM 08:33 Diversifying Beyond Dollar 11:30 EM Private Credit 14:57 Pictet AI ETFs 16:32 Why Borrowers Choose Private 21:06 Defining EM Alpha 25:23 Index Construction Pitfalls 28:57 True Distress and Asymmetry 33:14 China Property Deep Value 35:15 Picking Winners at Five Cents 38:33 Sovereign Timing Checklist 40:07 Sanctions and “Uninvestibility” 43:37 Structuring Downside Control 44:58 Creditor Groups Collaboration 48:55 Restructuring Deal Template 50:23 Warrants Windfalls Risks 53:19 Governance in Private Credit 59:02 Underwriting People Networks 01:02:43 Hedging Without Shorting 01:05:49 Allocator Case for EM Credit 01:08:40 Liquidity Myths and Cycles
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