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As the CEO of Kit, Nathan Barry has a front row seat to what’s working in the most successful creator businesses. On The Nathan Barry Show, he interviews top creators and dives into the inner workings of their businesses in his live coaching sessions. You get unique insight into how creator businesses work and what you can do to increase results in your own business. One of the things Nathan is passionate about is helping you create leverage. Creator Flywheels let you create many copies of yourself so you don’t get bogged down with the little things in your business. Flywheels will help you reach a place where you can focus on revenue instead of busywork. You’ll hear discussions around building an audience, earning a living as a creator, and Nathan’s insights on scaling a software company to $100M. Learn how to get more results with less effort and: Grow faster over time. Work less hard over time. Make more money over time.
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- 6 days ago1h 36m
How To Stand Out as a Writer in the Age of AI (2026) | David Perell | 138
My conversation with David Perell, host of the "How I Write" podcast and a truly prolific creator, took my understanding to a whole new level. He's one of the few people who has consistently challenged my thinking on how we communicate ideas effectively. In this episode, I dove deep with David into critical questions like: Does writing still hold its weight in today's crowded digital landscape? What specific elements should creators prioritize to make their words resonate? And importantly, how do you stand out when everyone else is shouting? David shares his incredible insights into the craft of writing, the power of observation, and his unique philosophy on identifying and leveraging "currents" to amplify your message. This was easily one of my favorite conversations on the show.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction01:15 Obsessed with the Craft of Writing02:45 The "Bit" as a Writing Concept05:10 Why People Struggle with Writing07:11 From Seeking Attention to Having Something to Say10:40 The Discipline of Public Writing13:58 Capturing and Curating Ideas20:05 Riding Internet Currents26:50 Identifying and Leveraging Currents32:10 Tying Timeless Ideas to Timely Moments39:15 Uncorrelated Sources of Inspiration45:36 The "How I Write" Podcast47:20 Production Value and Set Design1:00:40 YouTube Growth and Packaging1:04:40 The Guest Maximization Strategy1:10:00 Creating "The Modern World" Series1:16:00 The Modern Pollution of Man-Made Environment1:19:30 Interplay of the Creator Economy and the Modern World1:22:15 Creating the World You Want to Live In1:29:26 Using Art and History to Hone Taste1:34:00 The Soul-Stirring Work1:35:40 Where to Find DavidIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow David:X: https://twitter.com/david_perellWebsite: https://www.perell.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidPerellChannelLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidperellFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comModern World (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@TheModernWorldBuilding a Second Brain: https://www.buildingasecondbrain.comThe Artist's Way: https://juliacameronlive.com/books/the-artists-wayHighlights:01:15 – The obsession with writing as a craft.20:05 – Understanding and leveraging internet "currents" for content.40:30 – Why consuming uncorrelated content elevates your work.59:20 – The art of deep communication in interviewing.1:29:26 – Cultivating taste by actively discerning what you love and hate.
- 1 weeks ago1h 15m
I Asked a Speaking Coach to Roast My Biggest Speech | Mike Pacchione | 137
I recently sat down with my speaking coach, Mike Pacchione, for this totally unprecedented episode where we dissect, minute by minute, my full keynote speech from this year's Craft + Commerce conference. We’re not holding anything back. Mike points out my flaws, celebrates my strengths, and reveals all the chaos that happens backstage that the audience never sees. If you've ever delivered a product launch, feared public speaking, or just want to understand the art of a compelling presentation, you'll learn so much from our candid conversation.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction01:03 Breaking Down the Keynote02:22 The Chaos Before the Stage04:02 The Missing Walk-Out Music07:44 The "Be a Zero" Concept09:47 Avoiding Speaker Voice13:17 Building Tension and Specificity19:19 The Stephen Colbert Joke20:52 The Dad's Wisdom Story28:16 The Challenge of Technical Terms34:03 Debating Product Announcement Timing40:35 The Elusive Applause Moment48:29 Katie's Spotlighting an Audience Member53:05 The Landing Page Humiliation Slide01:01:00 The New York City Event Space Announcement01:07:07 The Closing and Audience Reaction01:12:00 Rehearsal Techniques and Speaker NotesIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://kit.comFollow Mike:Freebie: https://bestspeech.co/nathanWebsite: https://bestspeech.coLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpacchioneInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mpaccX: https://x.com/mpaccFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comJohn Koenig - The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnkoenigThe State Change Method - Wes Kao: https://weskao.comThe Happiness Project - Gretchen Rubin: https://gretchenrubin.com/books/the-happiness-projectTim Urban TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_urban_inside_the_mind_of_a_master_procrastinatorFramer: https://www.framer.comHighlights:01:03 – Mike critiques my keynote opening11:50 – The secret behind my opening pause25:06 – How real-world stories prove product value31:09 – The unexpected success of a borrowed joke53:10 – The power of a critical feedback slide
- 2 weeks ago58 min
#1 Speaking Coach Explains How to Master Speaking (In Just 58 Minutes) | Mike Pacchione | 136
I've always brought Mike Pacchione in to coach every speaker at my Craft + Commerce conferences, including myself, because he has an uncanny ability to help people transform their talks from good to truly great. Mike's number one goal? For the audience to forget it's even a speech. In our conversation, Mike unpacks his framework for crafting compelling stories, why you should almost never tell them in chronological order, and his genius TED acronym for tension, editing for emotional impact, and the right details. He also shares invaluable insights on designing an ending that resonates and even how to strategically use humor (especially if you're not naturally funny). This episode is packed with lessons I've learned firsthand from Mike over the years.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction02:00 Making the audience forget it's a speech04:06 Setting the room up for success06:14 The power of stories in speeches08:39 Story selection and placement10:42 Why you don't need to tell stories in order11:11 Mike's TED acronym for storytelling: Tension14:55 Editing for emotional impact20:02 Crafting an engaging middle of a speech22:57 Asking questions to build tension24:37 Describing people in vivid detail (loglines)30:48 Crafting a powerful ending33:09 The "one more thing" strategy40:07 Controlling the emotional arc of a talk40:50 Using humor effectively44:09 The power of awkward silence and tension45:53 Cueing the audience for laughs and applause48:14 Leading the audience with your emotions50:57 Mike's take on using AI for speeches55:24 How to work with Mike Pacchione56:47 Mike's free resourceIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow Mike:Freebie: https://bestspeech.co/nathanWebsite: https://mikespeaks.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpacchioneInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mpaccX: https://x.com/mpaccFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comDuarte: https://www.duarte.comAtomic Habits: https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habitsWP Engine: https://wpengine.comConvertKit: https://convertkit.comHighlights:02:01 – Getting the audience to forget it's a speech15:30 – Ending your story in the middle for maximum impact26:06 – Sarah: The person who eats quinoa for a cheat meal37:05 – Why you should never end your talk on Q&A53:02 – The point of a speech is to make an emotional connection
- 3 weeks ago1h 4m
From Zero to $1M Before 30 - My Exact System | Mallory Rowan | 135
How do you build significant wealth in a way that feels sustainable and joyful, rather than sacrificing your mental and physical health? That's what I explored in my conversation with Mallory Rowan, who achieved a million-dollar net worth by age 29, but not without first hitting a wall of burnout at 22. Her story isn't just about financial metrics; it's a testament to redefining success and building a life where financial freedom supports personal well-being. I was particularly struck by her "Six Solutions Theory" and how she challenges the conventional wisdom about ambition versus balance. Join me as Mallory shares her unique approach to turning profit into compounding assets and creating a business that serves her life, not the other way around.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction01:06 Burnout at 22: Ignoring the whispers03:59 The toxic cycle of business, health, and happiness07:22 When you realize the limit keeps moving10:14 The collision of creativity and finances13:17 Rebuilding after burnout18:03 The difference between revenue and profit21:02 Making investing goals exciting27:26 Getting specific about building wealth30:45 The cottage purchase and creative financing32:02 Active income and first down payment34:03 The million dollars invested goal41:17 Why net worth goals matter more52:27 Having it all: Ambition and avoiding burnout55:28 Why behind the goal: The Toddler Test57:38 The categories: non-negotiables, nice-to-haves, experiments01:00:04 How a nest egg enables lighter living and creativityIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow Mallory:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malloryrowanYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theinbetweenerscoTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@malloryrowanLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malloryrowan?originalSubdomain=caWebsite: https://malloryrowan.comFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comHighlights:01:06 – Ignoring the whispers before burnout screams15:00 – Strategically building "boredom" into your business model25:21 – The "Thumbnailing" approach to problem-solving41:17 – Why net worth goals offer true financial freedom01:00:04 – How a solid nest egg allows for lighter, more playful business decisions
- Jun 25, 20261h 5m
How I Went From $0 To 6 figures on Instagram (67-Minute Masterclass) | Gannon Meyer | 134
What does it take to build a $100M company from scratch? That's what I wanted to find out when I sat down with Gannon Meyer. He's figured out how to turn social media attention into actual revenue. My guest today, Gannon, went from living with his girlfriend's mom to building a thriving business in just 12 months, and he credits a huge part of that transformation to what he shares in our conversation. We dive deep into his "free, segment, upsell" framework for converting Instagram followers into paying customers, and I even get a direct critique of my own content strategy. If you're looking to monetize your audience on Instagram, you won't want to miss Gannon's insights.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction01:14 Converting Instagram attention into revenue03:33 Client examples and creator income levels06:47 The "Free, Segment, Upsell" funnel framework08:39 Using open-ended questions for better segmentation10:50 How ManyChat and AI interpret responses13:12 Real-world example: Adrian's camera business15:52 Good vs. bad open-ended questions18:18 Crafting a CTA for your free content22:00 Storytelling frameworks for strong retention30:07 Maximizing engagement with Instagram Stories33:22 The impact of CTAs on Instagram reach35:01 Why comments are crucial for discoverability44:19 The truth about views vs. revenue47:55 Deep diving into solving problems for revenue51:08 How Gannon's 'whiteboard' videos attract clients53:22 Gannon's life transformation in 12 months58:50 The realization: being willing to be wrong in public1:04:15 The power of putting yourself out thereIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow Gannon:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gannon.meyerYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@gannonmeyerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gannonmeyerFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comHighlights:01:30 Gannon's approach to helping people sell their products16:17 How to ask open-ended questions effectively30:57 The PSA story framework for Instagram46:12 Why high views don't always equal high revenue59:57 The power of being willing to be wrong in public
- Jun 18, 20261h 5m
Million Dollar Founder Explains How To Avoid Burnout In 2026 | 133
Why did this founder fire himself from his own company? That's what I wanted to find out when I sat down with Steve Kamb, founder of Nerd Fitness. We've known each other for a long time, and I've watched him build an incredible audience and business. But then, to my surprise, he "fired" himself – twice! Steve shares the surprising truth about chasing growth, the pitfalls of wearing the wrong hat in your own business, and how he rediscovered his passion for writing. His journey is a powerful reminder that sometimes, the true path to fulfillment means stepping away from the very thing you've so diligently built.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction01:10 Firing myself (twice!) from Nerd Fitness05:37 The five years I spent in the wrong seat07:20 The "If you're not growing, you're shrinking" myth10:37 How I realized writing is what lights me up12:55 When to double down on strengths vs. fix weaknesses18:19 The curated "all I do is win" internet vs. real life20:20 Sharing my failures: cancer, Google changing, divorce23:09 The overwhelming positive response to vulnerability24:06 How my book was born and evolved30:17 My visit to the Museum of Failure33:55 My PACT framework: Pause, Accept, Change, Try40:22 Everything old is new again in content49:00 The value of Craft + Commerce and community56:14 Longevity in creative work: falling in love with the craft1:02:43 How to Try Again: Where to find the bookIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow Steve:How To Try Again (Book): https://howtotryagain.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevekambLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevekambYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/stevekambX: https://x.com/SteveKambNerd Fitness: https://www.nerdfitness.comFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comHow to Try Again: https://howtotryagain.comNerd Fitness: https://www.nerdfitness.comThe Museum of Failure: https://failuremuseum.com
- Jun 11, 20261h 0m
Business Expert: The Secret Power of IP To Grow Your Business | 132
Codifying your knowledge into intellectual property (IP) is a crucial step for scaling any business, but what my guest Mo Bunnell shared in this episode completely changed my perspective on how to do it and the incredible impact it can have. Mo, author of Give to Grow and founder of the Bundle Idea Group, has built an astonishing career training professionals at some of the world's most prestigious organizations. He walked me through the evolution of his IP, from humble beginnings to the sophisticated materials he uses today to secure multi-six-figure contracts. This isn't something he typically breaks down publicly, and I was genuinely surprised by the tangible examples and actionable steps he provided for transforming a service-based business into an IP-driven powerhouse.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction02:29 Codifying your system in a weekend05:07 From intuition to framework: creating IP08:00 The evolution of training materials11:20 Essential elements of effective IP18:30 The economics of B2B and corporate clients21:00 How to get your first pilot clients26:00 Overcoming B2B objections29:00 Translating B2C IP to B2B corporate world31:00 Identifying high-leverage industries and roles34:00 Lowering the bar on perfection for B2B37:00 Lead magnets for decision-makers vs. users41:40 Advanced lead magnet strategies45:20 The power of public workshops49:40 Scaling beyond yourself: travel and certification52:45 Michael Hyatt's Business Accelerator growth56:00 The annuity effect of corporate trainingIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow Mo:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mobunnellBunnell Idea Group: https://bunnellideagroup.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd0dvX8kfxF_MMz6IZT17kwGive to Grow: https://bunnellideagroup.com/givetogrowFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comThe Snowball System: How to Win More Business and Turn Customers into Raving Fans: https://www.amazon.com/Snowball-System-Business-Customers-Raving/dp/1640950343Unreasonable Hospitality: https://www.amazon.com/Unreasonable-Hospitality-Remarkable-Giving-People/dp/0593418193Highlights:01:04 – How Mo started codifying his IP04:08 – The power of IP to scale a business11:22 – Four components of world-class IP18:49 – The "this changes everything" B2B opportunity37:04 – Lead magnets for buyers versus users43:09 – James Clear's strategic review request56:00 – The annuity model of B2B corporate training
- Jun 4, 20261h 1m
Russell Brunson: How To Build a Mass Movement | 131
I’ve always been fascinated by how some companies manage to create not just customers, but passionate communities who become true advocates. My guest today, Russell Brunson, has mastered this, building ClickFunnels to a staggering 100,000+ users *without any outside funding*. In our conversation, Russell broke down the exact framework he used to achieve this, a framework born from studying thousands of successful movements across history, politics, and even religion. If you've ever wondered how to inspire loyalty that goes beyond a simple transaction and transforms your audience into a committed tribe, this episode reveals the secrets to building a movement, not just a business.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction02:16 Studying Successful Movements03:30 From Educator to Movement Leader04:58 The Three Core Elements of a Movement06:25 The Attractive Character (The Guide)07:05 The New Opportunity (Not Just an Improvement)09:24 The Future-Based Cause12:12 Universal Principles in Movements13:17 The Power of Positioning18:47 Crafting the New Opportunity27:12 The Importance of Customer Alignment28:16 Cutting Through the Noise with Your Message33:23 The Power of Customer Stories35:12 Why General Messaging Can Be More Powerful46:17 Milestones and Awards for Motivation50:50 Creating Belief and Encouraging Progress52:33 Scaling with Progressive Achievement59:55 Where to Learn More from Russell BrunsonIf you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. I read every single one.Learn more about the podcast: https://nathanbarry.com/showFollow Nathan:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanbarryLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanbarryX: https://twitter.com/nathanbarryYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenathanbarryshowWebsite: https://nathanbarry.comKit: https://www.kit.comFollow Russell:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/russellbrunsonYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qUDKqTsz00csykCYgdLuALinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellbrunsonFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/russbrunsonX: https://x.com/russellbrunsonWebsite: https://russellbrunson.comFeatured in this episode:Kit: https://www.kit.comExpert Secrets: https://expertsecrets.comClickFunnels: https://www.clickfunnels.comHighlights:06:09 – Every Movement Needs a Guide11:00 – The Power of a Future-Based Cause24:50 – The Importance of Actively Choosing Your Dream Customer47:50 – The Two Comma Club: Gamifying Entrepreneurial Success57:20 – Why People Care More About a Plaque Than Money
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About The Nathan Barry Show
As the CEO of Kit, Nathan Barry has a front row seat to what’s working in the most successful creator businesses. On The Nathan Barry Show, he interviews top creators and dives into the inner workings of their businesses in his live coaching sessions. You get unique insight into how creator businesses work and what you can do to increase results in your own business. One of the things Nathan is passionate about is helping you create leverage. Creator Flywheels let you create many copies of yourself so you don’t get bogged down with the little things in your business. Flywheels will help you reach a place where you can focus on revenue instead of busywork. You’ll hear discussions around building an audience, earning a living as a creator, and Nathan’s insights on scaling a software company to $100M. Learn how to get more results with less effort and: Grow faster over time. Work less hard over time. Make more money over time.
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