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Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.
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- Today1h 15m
The Media Reckoning Is Here (535)
This week, Joe and Robert dig into the media reckoning hitting some of the biggest names in digital publishing. Vice, BuzzFeed, Vox, and others once represented the future of media, with massive valuations, venture money, and platform-driven scale. Now, many of those same companies have been sold, split apart, or pushed into bankruptcy. The boys ask the uncomfortable question: how did companies worth billions become cautionary tales? On the flip side, 1440 just received a $101 million valuation with only 27 employees and a focused newsletter-first model. The company generates about $1 million per employee and has built a direct relationship with nearly 5 million subscribers. Joe and Robert discuss why this is the same lesson they have been talking about for years: don't build your content house on rented land. Owned audience, discipline, and direct trust still win. Then the conversation turns to the growing demand for live experiences and even print products. Investors are rewarding live entertainment, movie theaters, concerts, and premium in-person experiences, while print continues to show surprising signs of life in certain corners of media. Is this a true long-term opportunity, or just a small bubble created by digital exhaustion? Winners and Losers Joe's winner is the baklava guy outside Knicks games, a perfect example of small, weird, consistent marketing becoming part of the fan experience. Robert's winner and loser is Ferrari's new design. In rants and raves, Joe talks about Nate B. Jones changing his AI newsletter frequency, moving away from the daily news grind and toward a more useful weekly cadence. Robert closes with commentary on the death of per-seat pricing and what it means for the coming SaaS apocalypse. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. <span style= "font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lexend Deca',sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 300; font-style: nor
- 1 weeks ago1h 15m
Meta Creates Toll Road, LinkedIn Fakes Getting Rid of AI Slop (534)
This week, the boys open with Meta's new subscription plans for Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and Meta AI. The features are mostly small upgrades, but the bigger story is clear: Meta is building a toll road around access, visibility and creation. The rent on rented land keeps going up. From there, Joe and Robert talk about LinkedIn's campaign against "AI slop." LinkedIn says it wants to reduce low-value AI content, generic posts and engagement bait. But is it really getting rid of anything, or just marketing the idea of a cleaner feed? The platform rewarded slop long before AI arrived. AI just made it easier to scale. Winners and Losers Joe's winner is YouTube creator Curry Barker and the box office success of Obsession, another reminder that creators can still break through outside the traditional Hollywood machine. Robert's winners are OpenAI's new CMO and brands making music videos. Rants and Raves Joe raves about The Guardian's U.S. success and its growing donation-supported business. It's a strong example of a media company building direct audience trust and turning that trust into revenue. Robert's commentary is on Rand Fishkin's take that "inimitable product" is the new "make great content." Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.
- 2 weeks ago1h 13m
The Click Is Dead (533)
This week, Joe and Robert start with Google's massive AI search shift and the uncomfortable reality for marketers, publishers and creators: the click may no longer be the point. Google has turned search into something closer to an answer engine, and Joe has officially come around to Robert's long-held view. Google may have created an even better business model than the one it already had, and the old one was pretty darn good. Instead of sending people out to websites, Google can now keep users inside its own experience, answer more complex questions, and eventually handle more of the buying, research and decision journey itself. So what does that mean for marketers? It means the old SEO bargain is breaking. Ranking is no longer enough. Getting the click is no longer guaranteed. And if Google becomes the destination instead of the doorway, brands need to think very differently about trust, authority, direct relationships and what it actually means to be found. The Feed Is Fake Next, the boys discuss the Vulture article on how social feeds are increasingly being manufactured through clipping, coordinated amplification and artificial momentum. The big takeaway: marketers can no longer assume that views, likes, comments or shares are clean signals of audience interest. If popularity can be engineered, then trust signals become more important than ever. Joe and Robert also wonder whether this is just a strange temporary window. Are we in a one-to-two-year messy middle where fake feeds, synthetic content and AI-generated attention overwhelm the system before the platforms fix it, users reject it, or the whole thing collapses into something else? Either way, the advice is clear: do not build your strategy on fake momentum. Build something people can actually trust. Marketing Winners and Losers Joe's winner: The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. Joe liked that the documentary did not simply take one side of the AI debate. It explored both the optimism and the fear around AI, giving space to the people who believe AI could unlock enormous progress and those who believe it could create enormous harm. Robert's winner: Publicis, which agreed to acquire LiveRamp for approximately $2.2 billion in cash. The move gives Publicis deeper data capabilities at a time when first-party data, identity, privacy-safe collaboration and AI-powered marketing are becoming central to competitive advantage. Rants and Raves Joe's rave: Rishad Tobaccowala on the future of work. Robert's rant: Palantir and the "SaaS is dead" narrative. Robert reacts to the idea that traditional software-as-a-service is being replaced by a more AI-driven model, sometimes described as "service as software." The boys unpack whether this is a real business model shift or just another big tech phrase looking for a market. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for
- 3 weeks ago1h 7m
OpenAI: Are New Moves Desperation or Innovation? (532)
This week on This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert break down OpenAI's latest move: launching a full-blown AI consultancy for enterprise companies. The big question: is this a smart response to large companies moving too slowly on AI integration, or is it a sign that OpenAI is feeling pressure to generate revenue wherever it can? The boys also follow up on OpenAI's move into shopping and advertising. As ChatGPT gets closer to product discovery, recommendations, and transactions, Joe and Robert ask whether ChatGPT is becoming the next great transaction engine, or whether this is another signal of desperation from a company trying to do too much at once. Then, the conversation turns to politics and media, as the 2028 presidential candidates increasingly look and act like content creators. What does that mean for trust, audience building, and the future of political marketing? This week's marketing winners and losers include Netflix, Disney and LinkedIn. Rants and Raves Robert rants about a recent article in Rolling Stone and how it misses the mark in content and in ad tech. Joe raves about micro communities and why the future of content marketing may not be about reaching the largest possible audience, but about becoming truly valuable to the smallest audience that matters. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. <span style= "font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lexend Deca',sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 300; font-style: normal; font
- 4 weeks ago1h 12m
Is ChatGPT Turning Into Yahoo! or Netscape? (531)
In this episode of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert dig into OpenAI's very rough week. From missed targets and questions about future contract payments to legal proceedings involving Elon Musk, the company suddenly looks a lot less inevitable than it did just a few months ago. Then OpenAI launches a self-service advertising platform, which leads Joe to ask the big question: Is ChatGPT turning into Yahoo? Robert sees it a little differently, arguing that the better comparison may be Netscape. Either way, the boys agree that OpenAI may be trying to do too many things at once while Anthropic continues to gain ground. Next, Joe and Robert discuss Coinbase and its latest round of layoffs. The company says AI is part of the reason, but is that the real story, or just a convenient excuse? They also look at the strong performance from Uber and Disney, and what it may say about the rise of local and regional experiences in today's service economy. In Marketing Winners and Losers, Heineken gets attention, and the Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District makes another appearance as a surprisingly effective content and social media operator. In Rants and Raves, Joe honors Ted Turner and his incredible impact on marketing, media and publishing. Robert closes with a rant about the California governor's race and what it says about media, politics and the state of public discourse. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. <span style= "font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lexend Deca',
- May 1, 20261h 6m
Are Brands Missing the Employee Creator Opportunity? (530)
This week, Joe and Robert break down a Wall Street Journal article about big brands putting more money into individual creators. While micro-influencers continue to be an important trend, the boys believe there may be an even bigger opportunity sitting inside most companies: employees. If brands want trusted voices, they should not only rent them from the outside. They should invest in their own internal talent and help employees become trusted experts, creators, and community builders. In other news, Taylor Swift has filed new trademark applications, including sound marks, to help protect her voice and likeness from unauthorized AI usage. Joe and Robert ask whether brands should be thinking about similar protections as AI-generated content becomes easier to create and harder to control. Marketing Winners and Losers Robert's winner is Taco Bell for its big NFL Draft moment involving first-round pick Fernando Mendoza. Joe's winner is Anthropic for hiring an events director, a signal that even AI companies understand the power of in-person experiences, brand trust, and human connection. Rants and Raves Robert rants about Nike's controversial Boston Marathon advertisement and what happens when edgy creative misses the moment. Joe's commentary focuses on prediction markets and the marketing opportunities that may be coming, but have not fully arrived yet. This Week's Takeaway Brands are waking up to the power of individual creators. But the smartest companies may realize that some of their best creators are already on the payroll. Other links: Are NFT's Back? Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. <span style= "font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lexend Deca',sans-serif; color: #000
- Apr 24, 202650 min
Why We Finally Got Serious About Our Health - Special Episode (529)
In this special episode of This Old Marketing, Joe and Robert step away from marketing and talk about something more personal: the health changes they've made, why they made them, and what they've learned along the way. Both share the specific moments that pushed them to take their health more seriously, along with the physical, mental, and long-term brain health concerns that made those decisions impossible to ignore. Joe walks through the habits and strategies that have shaped his approach, including intermittent fasting, creatine, resistance training, and reducing negative social media exposure. Robert then shares his experience with GLP-1s, what the process has been like in practice, and how it has affected the way he thinks about weight, health, energy, and the future. This is an honest conversation about getting older, paying attention, and trying to make smarter choices for the years ahead. Disclaimer: This episode is based entirely on Joe and Robert's personal experiences and should not be taken as medical advice. Everyone's body, health history, and needs are different. Please do your own research and consult a qualified medical professional before making any health-related changes. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at <a hre
- Apr 17, 20261h 18m
Is This AI's Napster Moment? (528)
Joe and Robert dig into Anthropic's launch of Mythos and Project Glasswing and ask the bigger question: is this the moment marketers need to wake up to the fact that AI is not just a tool shift, but a business model shift? Joe argues this may be AI's Napster moment, the point where the future is suddenly visible and the old rules no longer apply. They also discuss the attack on Sam Altman's house and what it says about the growing anti-AI backlash. As fear, frustration, and economic anxiety build, what does the AI industry need to understand before resistance gets louder and more dangerous? Finally, HubSpot makes headlines with its media acquisition, but the bigger conversation is the company's decision to rename its flagship event from Inbound to Unbound. Joe and Robert both believe the move is a mistake and break down why consistency, memory, and brand equity matter more than clever repositioning. In this episode: Anthropic launches Mythos and Project Glasswing Why Joe calls this the Napster moment for AI What marketers need to do now as the model changes The Sam Altman attacks and the rise of anti-AI anger What AI companies are missing about public frustration HubSpot's media move Why changing Inbound to Unbound may be a branding error The value of consistency in event strategy Winners and Losers/Rants and Raves Joe's Winner: A gas station that turned into a speakeasy Joe's Rave: The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Robert's Loser: DoorDash Robert's Commentary: The four categories of AI perception (inspired from this article) Closing Thought: The old marketing playbook is getting shaky fast. The question is no longer whether AI will change the rules. The question is whether marketers are willing to admit the rules have already changed. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: <span style= "font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lexend Deca',sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 300; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: ba
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Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.
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