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For decades, behaviour analysts have worked to develop evidence-based interventions that improve quality of life for children and families. But evidence-based doesn't always mean culturally responsive. In this episode, Ben welcomes Chloe Wang, BCBA and PhD candidate at the University of British Columbia, whose dissertation explores a culturally responsive, group-based Family-Centred Positive Behaviour Support program designed specifically for Chinese immigrant families of children with autism. Chloe shares her remarkable journey from immigrating to Canada as a teenager, discovering behaviour analysis almost by accident, completing her master's degree at Brock University, helping establish an autism treatment centre in China, and returning to UBC to pursue research that bridges science with culture. One of the most compelling aspects of Chloe's work is her commitment to co-design. Before launching her randomized controlled trial, she conducted focus groups with both families and professionals to refine every aspect of the intervention—from language and examples to program structure and delivery. Those conversations led to significant changes, including splitting the original 16-week program into two levels and expanding discussions around reinforcement and punishment after families expressed a desire to fully understand behavioural principles before embracing Positive Behaviour Support. Ben and Chloe also explore: Why culture influences how families experience behavioural intervention The importance of implementation science in clinical practice Family-centred PBS across prevention tiers Measuring meaningful outcomes beyond behaviour reduction Maintaining treatment effects after intervention ends Using technology to improve long-term sustainability Future directions for culturally responsive behaviour analysis This episode highlights how listening to families doesn't weaken behaviour analysis—it strengthens it. As our profession continues to grow globally, Chloe's work provides a thoughtful roadmap for adapting evidence-based practice while remaining grounded in behavioural science. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/4qOZ1GAVFCw Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.5 Ethics IBAO: 1.5 Cultural QABA: 1.5 Ethics CBA/CPD: 1.5 Cultural Diversity Follow us! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behaviourspeak/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behaviourspeak/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@behaviorspeak Contact Chloe LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloewangaba/ City Medical Child Development Centre https://citychildclinic.com/case-study/chloe-wang/ Interested in learning more about Positive Behaviour Support and culturally responsive practice? Check out these related conversations from the Behaviour Speak archives: Family-Centred Positive Behaviour Support with Dr. Joseph Lucyshyn (Part 1) – Learn about the foundations of Family-Centred PBS from one of its developers, including the ecological and behavioural principles that informed Chloe's dissertation. Episode 43: Family-Centred Positive Behaviour Support (Part 1) Family-Centred Positive Behaviour Support with Dr. Joseph Lucyshyn (Part 2) – Continue the discussion with an exploration of implementation, ethics, cultural responsiveness, and building sustainable support for families. Episode 44: Family-Centred Positive Behaviour Support (Part 2) Empowering the Chinese Autism Community with Hazel Lim – Explore autism advocacy, family support, and community leadership within Chinese communities, complementing Chloe's discussion of culturally responsive service delivery. Episode 212: Empowering the Chinese Autism Community with Hazel Lim Culturally Responsive Autism Support in Indigenous Communities – Drs. Candi Running Bear, Davis E. H
When Mafer Chang Espinoza returned to Ecuador after completing her education in the United States, she found a country where autism was poorly understood, ABA was virtually nonexistent, and many families had nowhere to turn. Rather than accepting the status quo, she began building something entirely new. Starting with just a few children, ethical supervision from international mentors, and a vision for accessible services, Mafer founded Centro Enigma—an organization that has spent more than a decade transforming autism services throughout Ecuador. In this conversation, Ben and Mafer discuss: How Mafer first discovered behaviour analysis Returning home to Ecuador to build autism services Overcoming myths surrounding autism and ABA The challenges of practicing ethically without local certification pathways Building Centro Enigma from two clients into a nationally recognized organization Providing services to rural and underserved communities Adapting ABA to Ecuadorian culture and family life Training Ecuador's next generation of behaviour analysts Creating affordable parent coaching models Developing an inclusive school recognized by Ecuador's Ministry of Education Working with Global Autism Project Growing autism awareness across Ecuador The future of behaviour analysis in Latin America This episode is an inspiring example of persistence, leadership, and the power of behaviour analysis to create meaningful systems change. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7sSeRA5Elbk Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.0 Ethics IBAO: 1.0 Cultural QABA: 1.0 Ethics CBA/CPD: 1.0 Cultural Diversity Follow us! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behaviourspeak/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behaviourspeak/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@behaviorspeak Contact Mafer LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/maria-fernanda-chang-espinoza-b79889118/ Centro Enigma https://www.instagram.com/centroenigma/ https://centroenigma.com/ https://www.facebook.com/centroenigma UNIDAD EDUCATIVA FREDERIC SKINNER https://www.instagram.com/skinner.ecu/ If you enjoyed this conversation about the development of behaviour analysis in Ecuador, be sure to explore these related Behaviour Speak episodes featuring clinicians and leaders from across Latin America: Behaviour Analysis in Guatemala https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/behavior-analysis-in-guatemala/ Behaviour Analysis in Venezuela https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-192-behavior-analysis-in-venezuela-with-dr-mirari-elcoro-amalix-flores-and-dr-corina-jimenez-gomez/ Behaviour Analysis in Puerto Rico https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-155-behavior-analysis-in-puerto-rico/ ¿Quiénes Somos? An Exploration of Latinidad in Behavior Analysis https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/ep-172-quienes-somos-an-exploration-of-latinidad/ Análisis Aplicado de la Conducta en Colombia https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/ep-233-analisis-aplicado-de-la-conducta-en-colombia-con-johanna-avila-meza-msc-iba/ Análisis Aplicado de la Conducta en Argentina https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/ep-253-analisis-aplicado-dela-conducta-enargentinaconelizabethlopezmirandalicfonoaudiologiabcaba-iba-co
What if severe behaviour isn't something to eliminate—but evidence that important skills or opportunities are missing? Katie Gibson joins Behaviour Speak to explore the Constructional Approach, an increasingly influential framework developed from Israel Goldiamond's work and expanded through Nonlinear Contingency Analysis. Rather than asking how to stop behaviour, Katie explains how clinicians can identify the repertoires that are absent and build those instead. The result is often that severe behaviour decreases naturally, without ever directly targeting it. Throughout the conversation, Katie shares powerful real-world examples from her work in hospitals and complex behaviour programs. She explains how a teenager experiencing psychosis wasn't treated by challenging his delusions, but by helping him build friendships and social skills that ultimately made those behaviours unnecessary. She also describes Constructional Exposure Therapy, showing how children with severe needle phobia, OCD, and medical trauma can safely participate in healthcare without restraint while maintaining assent and dignity. The discussion extends into collaboration with psychiatry, nursing, families, and healthcare systems, demonstrating how behaviour analysis can improve patient care far beyond traditional autism services. This episode offers practical ideas alongside a broader philosophical shift that challenges many long-held assumptions within behaviour analysis. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/UEwEJeOqtfo Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.0 Learning IBAO: 1.0 ABA Topics QABA: 1.0 General CBA/CPD: 1.0 Learning Follow us! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behaviourspeak/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behaviourspeak/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@behaviorspeak Contact Katie Gibson LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiegibsonbcba/ Links Find articles and resources on The Constructional Approach Website! https://theconstructionalapproach.com/ Related Behaviour Speak Episodes Special Series On The Constructional Approach https://www.behaviourspeak.com/category/constructional-behaviour-analysis
Leadership isn't something we inherit—it’s something we model. In this powerful multi-generational conversation, Ben Reiman welcomes Quatiba Davis, along with her daughters, Keniyah Rowe and Kennedy Rowe, for an honest discussion about leadership, resilience, representation, disability, family, and the future of Applied Behaviour Analysis. Quatiba shares the remarkable journey that took her from special education teacher to becoming the first Black Chief Clinical Officer in ABA, overseeing clinical services across more than 50 clinics. Along the way, she reflects on growing up in the Bronx, overcoming adversity, learning through failure, and why she believes leadership is built by serving others rather than pursuing titles. Episode 279 begins with Kennedy's story. Following an in-utero stroke, Kennedy faced developmental challenges that changed the trajectory of her mother's career forever. What began as one family's search for answers ultimately inspired Quatiba to pursue behaviour analysis and dedicate her career to improving the lives of others. As the discussion unfolds, Keniyah shares her own path—from graphic design to psychology and now graduate studies in behaviour analysis at The Chicago School. Rather than simply following in her mother's footsteps, she reflects on finding her own identity, embracing leadership in her own way, and exploring how creativity and behaviour science can intersect. Together, the family discusses: • How modelling shapes future leaders • Parenting through adversity • Disability, dignity, and high expectations • Black representation within behaviour analysis • The importance of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) • Entrepreneurship and leadership • Why failure often becomes our greatest teacher • Mentorship and paying opportunities forward • Building businesses without sacrificing ethics • Creating a legacy through service Throughout the conversation, one message continually emerges: leadership is not defined by job titles or professional status. Leadership is reflected in the people we encourage, the barriers we remove, and the opportunities we create for those who come after us. Whether you're an experienced BCBA, a student entering the field, a parent, educator, or someone passionate about creating meaningful change, this episode offers wisdom that extends far beyond behavior analysis. About Our Guests Quatiba Davis is a Board Certified Behavior Analyst, executive clinical leader, keynote speaker, professor, and author whose work focuses on clinical excellence, leadership, ethics, assessment, and expanding representation within Applied Behavior Analysis. She currently serves as Chief Clinical Officer at ABA Centers, overseeing clinical services across dozens of locations while helping develop the next generation of clinicians. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/OMgXWMPzkwc Follow Quatiba on: LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/ms-quatiba-davis-m-ed-bcba-laba-lba-iba-3078808/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/quatibadavis_bcba/ https://www.instagram.com/qed82/ Keniyah Rowe is currently completing graduate studies in Applied Behavior Analysis at The Chicago School after earning her psychology degree from Howard University. She is also the founder of Signs of Beauty, an entrepreneurial venture celebrating identity, culture, and self-expression. Follow Keniyah on: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keniyah-rowe-94524922b/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/keniyah.___/ Signs of Beauty: https://www.instagram.com/signsofbeautyy/ Kennedy Rowe is a Business Administration student at Florida A&M University (FAMU) whose interests include entrepreneurship, marketing, and mental health. Her personal journey inspired her mother's entrance into the field of behavior analysis and continues to influence the next generation of leaders. Follow Kennedy on: LinkedIn: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennedy-ro
What happens when the very strategies behaviour analysts are taught to rely on become part of the problem? In this episode of Behaviour Speak, Ben Reiman welcomes BCBA Michelle Karren for a thoughtful discussion about PDA (commonly known as Pathological Demand Avoidance), autonomy-focused learners, and the challenges families face when traditional intervention approaches aren't working. Drawing on both professional expertise and lived experience as a parent of autistic children, Michelle shares how she became increasingly focused on supporting learners whose intense drive for autonomy, anxiety, and demand sensitivity require a fundamentally different approach. Together, Ben and Michelle explore: • What PDA is and how it differs from typical demand avoidance • The shift from "Pathological Demand Avoidance" toward more respectful language such as "Persistent Drive for Autonomy" and "autonomy-focused learners" • Why traditional behaviour support strategies can unintentionally increase stress and resistance • The role anxiety and nervous system regulation play in PDA profiles • Burnout experienced by learners, caregivers, and support teams • School challenges, masking, and the high rates of school-related stress among PDA learners • The importance of rapport, trust, assent, and shared control • Why role play and learner-led activities can be powerful tools for skill development • Supporting emotional regulation instead of focusing solely on compliance • Caregiver collaboration and helping families identify meaningful quality-of-life goals • The value of interdisciplinary collaboration and learning from professionals outside behaviour analysis • How behaviour analysts can remain evidence-informed while adapting their practice to meet individual learner needs Michelle challenges practitioners to remember that behaviour analysis is not defined by rigid procedures, but by careful observation, responsiveness, and a commitment to understanding what learners are communicating through their behaviour. Whether you're new to PDA or looking to deepen your understanding of autonomy-focused approaches, this episode offers practical insights and important reflections for anyone supporting neurodivergent learners. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Ble7W3G104w Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.5 Learning IBAO: 1.5 ABA Topics QABA: 1.5 General CBA/CPD: 1.5 Learning Follow us! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behaviourspeak/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behaviourspeak/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@behaviorspeak Contact Michelle Karren LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-karren-m-sc-bcba-433716273/ Related Behaviour Speak Episodes Episode 262, Motivational Interviewing for Behaviour Analysts with Dr. Monica Gilbert https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-261-motivational-interviewing-for-behaviour-analysts-with-dr-monica-gilbert/ Episode 179, Reforming ABA: A Framework for Behavior Analysts with Oswin Latimer and Hilary McClinton. https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-179-reforming-aba-a-framework-for-behavior-analysts/ Episode 34, Neurodiversity, ADHD, and ODD with Amelia Bowler https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-34-neurodiversity-adhd-and-odd-with-amelia-bowler-mads-bcba/
What does it take to build and advance a profession while simultaneously running a busy clinical practice, leading a national organization, and completing a PhD? In this episode, Ben Reiman welcomes Niesha Illingworth for a wide-ranging conversation about the current state—and future—of behaviour analysis in Australia. Drawing on nearly twenty years of clinical experience, Niesha reflects on how the profession has evolved, the ongoing challenges surrounding public perception of ABA, and the importance of strong professional leadership during periods of significant policy change. The conversation explores Australia's unique model of professional self-regulation, the work of ABA Australia to strengthen certification and public trust, and the opportunities and challenges created by changing disability funding systems. Niesha also discusses her doctoral research evaluating the Balance Program, an innovative parent-implemented early intervention designed to prevent the development of severe problem behaviour before it begins. Beyond systems and policy, Ben and Niesha examine culturally responsive practice, supporting Indigenous families, collaboration across professions, and why effective advocacy is becoming an increasingly important skill for behaviour analysts. Throughout the conversation, Niesha demonstrates how science, compassion, and systems thinking can work together to improve outcomes for children, families, and the profession itself. Check out Behaviour Analysis In The First Nation Communities of Australia with Deb Fernando https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-148-behaviour-analysis-in-first-nation-communities-of-australia/ Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Hs5gjgQLMxg Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.0 Ethics IBAO: 1.0 Cultural QABA: 1.0 Ethics CBA/CPD: 1.0 Cultural Diversity Follow us! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behaviourspeak/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behaviourspeak/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@behaviorspeak Contact Niesha Illingworth LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/niesha-illingworth-516859141/ Bright Eyes Clinic https://beei.com.au/ Links: Association for Behaviour Analysis Australia https://auaba.com.au/ Related Behaviour Speak Episodes The Balance Program https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-3-parent-coaching-with-esdm-and-the-balance-program-with-maria-sample-ma-bcba/ Family Centred PBS https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-43-family-centred-positive-behaviour-support-with-dr-joseph-lucyshyn-phd-bcba-d-part-1/ The Constructional Approach Madhura Deshpande https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/episode-252-applications-of-the-constructional-approach-with-dr-madhura-deshpande/ Oliver Roschke and John Wooderson https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/beyond-behaviour-reduction-reclaiming-the-constructional-approach-in-pbs-with-oliver-roschke-john-wooderson/
Aida nos comparte su experiencia aplicando los principios del análisis aplicado de la conducta (ABA) en contextos clínicos y hospitalarios, trabajando con personas que presentan afasia, lesiones cerebrales adquiridas y esclerosis lateral amiotrófica (ELA). Exploramos cómo el ABA puede integrarse con otras disciplinas de la salud para apoyar la rehabilitación, la comunicación y la calidad de vida de personas con necesidades complejas. Si te interesa descubrir aplicaciones innovadoras del ABA y conocer cómo nuestra ciencia puede contribuir en áreas como la neurología, la rehabilitación y la terapia del lenguaje, este episodio es para ti. Ver en YouTube: https://youtu.be/XBPb0ug6OSc Créditos de Educación Continua/CEUs (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.0 Learning IBAO: 1.0 ABA Topics QABA: 1.0 General CBA: 1.0 Learning Contacto: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aidatarifarodriguez/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aida-tarifa-rodr%C3%ADguez-phd-bcba-d-1b777230/ Pagina web: https://www.nalaysuanalistadeconducta.com/ Natalia Flórez Marín https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalia-fl%C3%B3rez-mar%C3%ADn-943914104/ Para conocer más sobre el trabajo de la Dra. Aida Tarifa Rodriguez: Escucha su podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Fw7ITTbPmtLc5ezct3GqK?si=d97dd7facc074b2c Links y Recursos: Referencia: Virues-Ortega, J., Pérez-Bustamante Pereira, A., Martin, N., Moeyaert, M., Krause, P. A., Tarifa-Rodriguez, A., Trujillo, C., & Sivaraman, M. (2023). Reducing face touching through haptic feedback: A treatment evaluation against fomite-mediated self-infection. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 56(3), 549–564. https://doi.org/10.1002/jaba.996 No te pierdas estos otros episodios de Behaviour Speak en español: https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/ep-253-analisis-aplicado-dela-conducta-enargentinaconelizabethlopezmirandalicfonoaudiologiabcaba-iba-conla-presentadora-invitadajessie-arroyave-med/ https://www.behaviourspeak.com/e/ep-233-analisis-aplicado-de-la-conducta-en-colombia-con-johanna-avila-meza-msc-iba/
How do neurodivergent youth experience schools, juvenile justice systems, and the adults responsible for supporting them? In this episode, Ben Reiman is joined by Dr. Larome Myrick, Executive Director of Youth Justice for the State of Rhode Island, and Anthony Bronaugh Sr., BCBA, educator, and former school principal. Drawing on decades of experience in corrections, education, and behaviour analysis, they explore how neurodivergent youth have historically been misunderstood, mislabeled, and underserved. The conversation examines the intersection of behaviour analysis, trauma-informed care, juvenile justice, and education while highlighting practical ways systems can move beyond punishment-based approaches. Larome and Anthony discuss the realities of correctional classrooms, the importance of early identification and support, how stigma continues to impact families and communities, and why collaboration across systems is essential. They also share their vision for creating environments where neurodivergent youth are understood, supported, and given opportunities to thrive. Whether you're a behaviour analyst, educator, school administrator, social worker, policymaker, or parent, this episode offers valuable insights into building more responsive and humane systems for young people. Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/bOxkDthDgFg Continuing Education Credits (https://www.cbiconsultants.com/shop) BACB: 1.5 Learning IBAO: 1.5 ABA Topics QABA: 1.5 General CBA/CPD: 1.5 Learning Follow us! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/behaviourspeak/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behaviourspeak/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@behaviorspeak Contact Dr. Larome Myrick https://www.linkedin.com/in/laromemyrick/ Contact Anthony Bronaugh, Sr. https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-bronaugh-sr-m-ed-bcba-coba-747139211/
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