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by Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
MindPump exposes the RAW TRUTH about health, fitness, nutrition and more... Hosts Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer & Justin Andrews pull back the curtain on the mythology, snake oil and pseudo-science that pervades the fitness industry and present science-backed solutions that result in increased muscular development and performance while simultaneously emphasizing health. No fitness institution or fitness "truth" is safe from their quick wit and over 40 years of combined experience in the fitness industry. Produced by Doug Egge.
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MAPS Sale: https://mapsfitnessproducts.comCode: SCARY40 for 40% off everything sitewide for 3 days only. Also: MAPS Abs and Butt at https://mapsabsandbutt.com — Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. In this episode the guys sit down and tell the full origin story of how they each got into fitness and the personal training industry. Sal shares starting at 13 with plastic sand-filled dumbbells, spotting his dad benching 300 pounds, getting his first job at 24 Hour Fitness at 18 with zero certification, and selling $6,000 of personal training on his first day without knowing what it cost. Adam shares falling into fitness accidentally, the moment money sold him on making it a career, his early knack for communicating ideas rather than science, and becoming a fitness manager at 18. Justin shares moving to the Midwest alone knowing nobody, reinventing himself completely, the reinvention that started it all, and his first cold call becoming his wife. Doug shares the Rocky 3 physique inspiring his training in his 30s and the plateau that followed. The guys also cover their biggest regrets — Sal not listening to the bodybuilder who told him exactly how to train at 16, Adam's early steroid experimentation and the crash that followed, and Justin's lack of mobility training during college football costing him his speed. The episode closes with each of them reflecting on why they still love this industry after 30-plus years and why they genuinely cannot wait for Mondays. Apply to be a Mind Pump trainer: https://mindpumpjobs.com SPONSORS Legion (supplements): https://buylegion.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP — new customers buy one get one 50% off, returning customers get 20% cash back. LINKS Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products:<a class= "e-10811-text-link e-10811-overflow-wrap-anywhere encore-internal-color-text-announcement e-10811-text-link--use-focus sc-eLPDLy kxsQcc" href="https://mapsfitnessproducts.com" data-encore-id="textLink" data-
MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down the secrets for training in a calorie deficit — why bodyweight lifts are psychologically and physically the best choice when cutting, what it actually feels like to train depleted and why anticipating it helps you push through, why low reps beat high reps in a deficit because they preserve muscle with far less stress on the body, why nighttime hunger is normal and how to reframe it instead of fighting it, and the sodium hack that makes you feel dramatically better when eating whole foods and low carbs. They also cover Parachew and how paraxanthine gives you the clean energy of caffeine without the jitters, crash or sleep disruption, Adam training with his wife in the garage and her calling out that he flipped his plan from "lower volume" to "get shredded" without realizing it, how Adam's readiness score went from 47 to the high 70s after taking three days off and the three pounds of inflammation that dropped overnight, the Noah's Ark ground-penetrating radar findings and the pattern of biblical archaeology validating stories that scientists dismissed, the Founder School that charges $150,000 a year but refunds it all if you do not build a $1 million profitable business by graduation, the patron saint of comedians who said "turn me over, I'm done on this side" while being grilled alive, and Caldera Lab eye serum and the clinical study results. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com. Mind Pump Fitness Coaching: https://mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com 1.9 NASM CEUs SPONSORS Parachew (paraxanthine gummies): https://parachew.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for 20% off first order. Caldera Lab (Eye Serum): https://calderalab.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for 20% off. Seed Daily Synbiotic: https://seed.com/mindpump Code: 25MINDPUMP for 25% off your first month. LINKS Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:24 - Secrets for training in a calorie deficit 5:36 - Secret 1: Bodyweight lifts — pull ups and dips get better as you get lighter 8:25 - Secret 2: Anticipate the depleted training feel — it is supposed to feel different 11:55 - Secret 3: Low reps work better in a deficit — less volume, less stress, more muscle preserved 14:03 - Why you should dramatically cut volume when calories drop 16:45 - Secret 4: You will feel hungry at night — make friends with it 18:49 - Secret 5: The sodium hack — bump sodium when whole food calories drop 21:07 - Parachew — what paraxanthine is and why it beats caffeine for afternoon energy 27:51 - Adam's wife calls him out for flipping from lower volume to trying to get shredded 32:22 - Adam's readiness score went from 47 to the high 70s after three days off 38:39 - Noah's Ark ground-penetrating radar findings and the pattern of biblical archaeology 48:26 - Founder School — $150K per year, full refund if you do not build a $1 million business by graduation 57:57 - Caldera Lab eye serum and the clinical study results 1:01:25 - Caller: Kevin (Massachusetts) — 37-year-old former skateboarder, lifts for 22 months, strong genetics, gets MAPS Anabolic Advanced 1:17:11 - Caller: Jen (West Virginia) — former group fitness instructor, hitting PRs on Muscle Mommy 15, how hard to push at 49, gets full MAPS 15 library 1:24:37 - Caller: Katie (Texas) — returning caller, loves Old Time Strength and Performance, ready for MAPS Upper Lower and a calorie push 1:32:43 - Caller: Jessica (Massachusetts) — returning caller, eating disorder history, up to 1900 calories at 50/50 consistency, starts therapy, gets grace and direction
MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down the best forms of cardio for fat loss, endurance and athleticism. They cover why walking is the best cardio for fat loss, why steady state is best for building endurance, why HIIT develops the kind of explosive stamina that sports actually require, and why playing a sport or just going out and having fun is the most underrated form of cardio for everything. They also get into Butcher Box pricing vs. fast food and why the grass-fed quality argument actually makes financial sense, Adam tracking his calorie burn on Oura and noticing how fitness naturally increases NEAT over time, Adam's fat loss competition strategy heading into a Cabo trip, the origin of the phrase blowing smoke, the Canadian grandma euthanasia lawsuit that has everyone appalled, Max starting drum lessons and showing real promise in his first session, and Justin finally agreeing to do the Organifi parasite cleanse. Then they answer questions from Instagram. SPONSORS Butcher Box: https://butcherbox.com/mindpump No code needed. Free ribeyes, NY strip steaks or filet mignons in every order for a year plus $20 off first box. Organifi (parasite cleanse): https://organifi.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for 20% off. LMNT (electrolytes): https://drinklmnt.com/MindPump Free sample pack with any purchase, no code needed. LINKS Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:06 - Best cardio for fat loss, endurance and athleticism — the breakdown 3:25 - Walking for fat loss — why this is the best form of cardio for body composition 8:06 - Why strength training should always take priority over cardio in a deficit 13:27 - Steady state cardio for endurance — who it's actually for and when to use it 15:56 - HIIT for athleticism — the explosive stamina that sports actually require 21:09 - Sport and play — the most underrated form of cardio for everything 25:56 - Butcher Box pricing breakdown — why grass-fed quality actually saves you money 30:18 - Adam tracking calorie burn on Oura — how fitness naturally increases NEAT over time 36:06 - Adam's fat loss competition strategy heading into Cabo 37:54 - The origin of blowing smoke — the real 18th century medical practice 40:19 - Canadian grandma euthanasia lawsuit — held down against her will 42:01 - Max starts drum lessons and shows real promise in his first session 59:22 - Justin finally agrees to do the Organifi parasite cleanse 1:03:49 - Q&A: Does it matter if you get close to failure with light high reps vs heavy low reps? 1:06:49 - Q&A: How important is leg strength if you have great balance endurance and can push a sled? 1:09:42 - Q&A: Is going heavy two months out from a bodybuilding show actually worth it? 1:13:59 - Q&A: How to cope with chronic shoulder bursitis beyond cortisone shots
MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.comCode: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down how cardio keeps getting rebranded with new names and logos while staying the same activity underneath. They cover cozy cardio, Japanese walking, the 666 walk, the 3-2-8 method, the fart walk, retro walking, zone two, rucking, High Rocks, Orange Theory and F45, the hot girl walk and the 8000 steps data — explaining what each one is, who it is actually good for, and why none of them are the best tool for the body composition goals most people are actually chasing. They also break down the winning formula for how to think about cardio: activity for health versus endurance for performance versus strength training for aesthetics. Free resource: 3 Mistakes with HIIT Programs — https://mindpumpfree.com SPONSORS Rho Nutrition (liposomal supplements): https://www.rhonutrition.com/discount/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP for 20% off everything. LINKS Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.comMaps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:14 - Cardio got rebranded and you fell for it — what's actually going on 3:34 - Who cardio is actually for and who it is not for 5:54 - Cozy cardio — candles, slippers and a latte on the treadmill 7:44 - Japanese walking — three minutes fast, three minutes easy, repeat 8:53 - The 666 walk and the 3-2-8 method 10:21 - The fart walk — ten minutes post-meal and why it is actually the best one here 13:03 - Retro walking — walking backwards and why this is the least favorite 14:19 - Zone two cardio — the fat burning zone myth revisited 17:04 - Rucking — who it is actually for and why it is not a body composition tool 18:49 - High Rocks — the CrossFit alternative and the sport vs aesthetics distinction 20:57 - Orange Theory and F45 — cardio with weights is still cardio 23:46 - The hot girl walk — great branding, great community, still just walking 26:50 - The 8000 steps data — where the real benefits actually plateau 28:57 - The winning formula — activity vs endurance vs strength training for aesthetics
MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down five fat loss diet myths — why feeling hungry during a cut is normal and expected (and why reframing it is the key), why no food actually burns body fat, why a calorie is not just a calorie when it comes to behavior and palatability, why neither carbs nor fat are the enemy, and why treating food as just fuel is a dysfunctional mindset that most people cannot actually live by. They also cover Sal and Adam both happening to sync up on a winter cut, Sal taking 5-amino-1MQ from MP Hormones for NAD support and fat metabolism, Adam's Oura ring readiness score data after the team pickleball tournament showing how much inflammation can hold water weight even during a perfect week of dieting, the free weights vs machines study debate between Sal and Brad Schoenfeld on X, Andy Galpin's set volume recommendations and why they do not apply to everyday people, Adam sleeping through a heat wave with a broken AC using only his Eight Sleep Pod at 85 degrees in the room, and the Woodstock 99 Limp Bizkit moment that started it all. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com. T-Shirt Winners: Apple Podcasts: Cinflute7 Facebook: Amanda Lee and Jerry Swab Send name, shirt size and shipping address to: itunes@mindpumpmedia.com SPONSORS Eight Sleep (Pod 5 Ultra): https://eightsleep.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for up to $350 off. Vita Bella / MP Hormones: https://mphormones.com Code: MINDPUMP365 to unlock exclusive annual membership perks. Joovv (red light therapy): https://joovv.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for $50 off first purchase. LINKS Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:37 - 5 fat loss diet myths that make losing body fat nearly impossible 5:06 - Myth 1: You should never feel hungry if you're doing it right 10:36 - Myth 2: There are fat burning foods 13:10 - Myth 3: A calorie is a calorie is a calorie 17:23 - Myth 4: Carbs or fats make you fat 21:28 - Myth 5: Food is just fuel — and why this mindset is dysfunctional 24:46 - Sal and Adam both on a winter cut — and Sal is taking 5-amino-1MQ for NAD and fat metabolism 28:33 - Adam's Oura ring readiness score after the pickleball tournament — why you can look worse holding water even on a perfect week 36:04 - Correcting the over-correction — why the worst thing to do when water is up is push harder 38:18 - Woodstock 99 — the moment Limp Bizkit broke it and why music moves culture 43:13 - Free weights vs machines study debate — Sal's response to Brad Schoenfeld on X 47:13 - Andy Galpin's set volume recommendations and why they do not apply to real people 49:37 - Adam's AC breaks during a 102-degree heat wave — sleeps through it on Eight Sleep with all covers on 58:47 - Joovv red light therapy — why it is the only red light brand that matches study wavelengths 59:50 - Caller: Susan (Missouri) — 51 years old, 22% body fat, two years with an online coach, ready to go independent, gets MAPS People and concierge option 1:09:19 - Caller: Alvin (Florida) — 64 years old, glider pilot, long distance hiker, lost ability to squat, gets MAPS Starter and creatine advice 1:20:27 - Caller: Jordan (Arizona) — 21 years old, 9.8% body fat, lost menstrual cycle, needs to reverse diet, gets coaching referral 1:33:17 - Caller: Returning caller (California) — hypermobility, single mom, gets MAPS Symmetry isometric protocol and community advice
MAPS Abs & Butt is still 40% off: https://mapsabsandbutt.com If your goal is a stronger, rounder butt and visible abs, this episode gives you the programming logic, the exercise selection, the rep ranges, the rest periods, and the mindset shift you need to actually make it happen. In this episode: • Rest periods are what make strength training strength training: resting two to four minutes between hard sets trains the energy system tied to muscle growth, while cutting rest short shifts you into aerobic, stamina-based work that does NOT build the butt • A study in the Journal of Applied Physiology confirmed that heavy load versus light load matters far less than effort: sets taken close to failure build muscle regardless of whether you are using five-pound or fifty-pound dumbbells • Progressive overload does not just mean adding weight — slowing the rep tempo, pausing at peak contraction, adding reps, or changing the angle of an exercise all challenge the body to adapt and grow without a single extra pound • A Frontiers in Physiology study on glute growth ranked hip thrusts and deep squats at the top, followed closely by Romanian deadlifts, all of which can be done at home with dumbbells alone • The biggest programming mistake when targeting a specific body part is stacking extra volume ON TOP of your existing program; you must reduce volume on non-priority muscles to one to two maintenance sets per week so recovery can actually happen • Strength gains always precede visible aesthetic changes: for the first few weeks you will get stronger without much mirror feedback, but the muscle and fat loss follow reliably once the strength accumulates • A subpar program done consistently beats a superior program done inconsistently — removing the commute and friction of a commercial gym dramatically raises the odds you actually show up • To build the glutes while also shrinking the waist, focus on reverse dieting and building first; muscle speeds the metabolism, which makes the subsequent fat-loss phase far more effective and easier to sustain Chapters: 00:23 Intro 01:23 MAPS Abs and Butt Launch 01:50 Why a Gym Is Not Required <p class="e-10811-text encore-tex
MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down how to cut fat and keep muscle — covering why you need to be in a good metabolic position before you start cutting, why letting food create the deficit beats trying to burn calories through exercise, why cutting volume during a cut is counterintuitive but essential, and why increasing low-stress activity like walking is the secret sauce for getting lean without losing muscle. They also cover Adam's friend who dropped total cholesterol from 293 to 201 and LDL from 200 to 124 using Dose alongside dietary changes, a processed food study linking ultra-processed foods to hidden intramuscular fat in the thighs, the first reversal of adult obesity rates in decades and why GLP-1 is almost certainly responsible, new data showing GLP-1 improving psoriasis before weight loss even begins suggesting an independent autoimmune mechanism, Sal two and a half weeks into MAPS Anabolic for the first time in years and the strength gains already surprising him, Adam's friend Ryan DeVita finally diagnosing the pec major tear that has been baffling Adam for months, and Sal noticing a dramatic difference in digestion after running out of Seed for two weeks. Then they coach live callers submitted through mplivecaller.com. Mind Pump Fitness Coaching: https://mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com 1.9 NASM CEUs SPONSORS Dose for Your Liver: https://dosedaily.co/MINDPUMP35 Code: MINDPUMP35 for 35% off first month subscription. Adam's friend dropped total cholesterol from 293 to 201 and LDL from 200 to 124 — all natural liquid supplement with clinical studies behind it. Seed Daily Synbiotic: https://seed.com/mindpump Code: 25MINDPUMP for 25% off your first month. Sal ran out for two weeks and noticed a huge difference in digestion — confirms it works best as a daily consistent habit. Butcher Box: https://butcherbox.com/mindpump No code needed. Free ribeyes, NY strip steaks or filet mignons in every order for a year plus $20 off first box. LINKS Submit a live caller question: https://mplivecaller.com Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia 0:00 - Intro 2:18 - How to cut fat and keep muscle — why your body wants to lose muscle when you diet 8:35 - Step 1: Are you in a good metabolic position to cut from? 9:59 - Step 2: Let food create the deficit — stop leaning on exercise to burn calories 13:03 - Step 3: Lower your training volume — this is the opposite of what most people do 16:00 - Step 4: Increase low stress activity — walking is the secret sauce for getting shredded 18:18 - Step 5: Eat in ways that produce satiety — whole foods and high protein 23:31 - Adam's friend drops cholesterol from 293 to 201 using Dose and dietary changes 28:33 - Ultra-processed food study — hidden intramuscular thigh fat linked to processed food intake 33:41 - Adult obesity rates reversed for the first time in decades — GLP-1 is almost certainly responsible 42:43 - GLP-1 improving psoriasis before weight loss begins — independent autoimmune mechanism 52:51 - Sal two and a half weeks into MAPS Anabolic Phase 1 — why he is only adding 2.5 pounds at a time 57:35 - Ryan DeVita diagnoses Adam's pec major tear that has been baffling him for months 1:00:28 - Sal runs out of Seed for two weeks and notices a huge difference in digestion 1:04:15 - Caller: Kyle (British Columbia) — returning caller, 6 pounds of lean mass in 90 days, gets MAPS Upper Lower and Powerlift package 1:19:01 - Caller: Justin (California) — law enforcement, 3-4 night shifts a week, 4-5 hours sleep, gets MAPS 15 and sleep strategy 1:31:07 - Caller: Casey (North Carolina) — returning caller, Hashimoto's, gluten-free 90 days, no scale change but all markers improved
MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down seven easy food swaps that lower calories, bump protein and still taste great — protein snacks over carb snacks (Crisp Power honey mustard), high-protein Greek yogurt desserts with cocoa whip and berries, shelled nuts instead of pre-shelled roasted ones, grass-fed beef over grain-fed (200-calorie difference in a 12oz ribeye), two lettuce-wrapped burgers instead of a burger and fries, crustless pizza in an iron skillet, and spaghetti squash instead of pasta. They also do a deep dive into Gen Z male depression and anxiety data — why this is the first generation doing worse than midlife adults in mental health metrics, and what the data says actually helps: lifting weights (50% reduction in depression and anxiety symptoms), going to church (33% lower odds of developing depression), and getting a job (95% higher mental health risk when unemployed). They also cover the new FDA-approved myostatin inhibiting drug, bone broth protein for people with high-protein digestion issues, and the anti-protein influencer backlash. Then they answer questions from Instagram. SPONSORS Crisp Power (honey mustard protein pretzels): https://www.crisppower.com/mindpump Code: MINDPUMP for 10% off. Honey mustard flavor discussed on air — 25-28g protein per bag, high fiber, zero added sugar. Paleo Valley (bone broth protein): https://paleovalley.com/mindpump 15% off automatically applied at checkout. Bone broth protein discussed on air — easiest to digest protein the guys have used, chocolate flavor tastes like a chocolate donut. Fatty15 (C15 essential fatty acid): https://fatty15.com/MINDPUMP Code: MINDPUMP for additional 15% off 90-day Starter Kit. First new essential fatty acid discovered in over 90 years. 3x more cellular benefits than omega-3. LINKS Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com <p class="e-10811-text encore-text-body-medium" data-encore-id= "text" data-slate-node="element" data-slate-fragment= "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